Are Buffalo Sabres Fans Really Ready For A Rebuild With A New GM?

Drew Stafford (21)
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The Buffalo Sabres are still searching for a new GM since the firing of Regier, and I think for a lot of you Sabres fans that is a good thing. I am not sure that some of you are actually ready for what may come in the near future regarding the Sabres roster when a new captain is sailing the ship.

Unlike most of the fans I have spoken with, I don’t want to see any remnants of the former Sabres after the new GM takes over and rebuilds this team around the young kids that have been recently drafted in the last few years. Maybe I just haven’t found other fans that share similar views about the future of the Sabres and the rebuild – I would love to chat with them and talk about options for the future. Who knows though, maybe I got this whole “rebuild” thing wrong and have the wrong viewpoint.

So I guess you could say that I truly want the future GM to have a fire sale with the Buffalo Sabres, let no one player be untouchable – other than players like Girgensons, Grigorenko, Armia, Flynn, Hackett, etc. (you get the picture). Obviously the young players will be part of the new core that the GM will build around and hopefully add more pieces to via the draft and young prospects via trading off assets.

Ville Leino (23)
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In my opinion, fans seem to be gun-shy about the whole situation, and sometimes it seems as if people just want the Sabres to stay the same and not fix some of the issues that came about because of former management. For god sake, 14% of voters suggested we not buy-out Ville Leino in a recent poll (Should the Buffalo Sabres Buy-Out Ville Leino?). Please comment below if you voted no in that poll, and explain to me why Leino deserves to stay on the Sabres, please!

Other conversations I have had with fans have revolved around Ryan Miller and Christian Ehrhoff. Let’s start with Miller, and the main reason he should be traded. Give the guy a break and let him join a winning team and have a shot at the cup – he is 33 now, and will be turning 34 during this offseason when his contract will be up. There is a very slim chance that the Sabres will be able to turn it around quick enough and become a playoff caliber team, so trade him to a legit playoff contender and get prospects and picks.

Trading Miller will also save the Sabres some cap space – he will be asking for Henrik Lundqvist type money anyways. Plus, as much as I would of liked to see Miller retire as a Sabre, do you really want to see him deteriorate like this? Lets let him try to go out on top.

Christian Ehrhoff (10)
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Christian Ehrhoff, where do I begin? He was brought in to be a stud on the blue line, but I think he has been falling a tad short – TRADE HIM NOW! He was expected to put up big numbers offensively, and he has failed so far – I don’t want to hear the argument again that he had help in Vancouver, it is just a cover up for the ridiculous money that Regier spent on him and an excuse for Ehrhoff. If you hold true talent in any sport, you should be able to make the team around you better, and he has not done so!

Other guys that have been brought up in conversation but have not been thoroughly discussed; Stafford, Ott, and Myers.

Drew Stafford, lack of production, streaky, has been given too many chances, get rid of him!

Steve Ott, emotional player, third line center at best, HAS NO BUSINESS ON THE POWER PLAY, see ya later!

Tyler Myers (57)
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Tyler Myers, make a blockbuster trade and shock the NHL, I don’t want the Sabres to have a second project that involves revamping this young mans career, let him do it on his own in another teams uniform!

Get on board fans! Changes will come, so start writing your goodbye letters to your favorite Sabres players! These players have had enough time in Buffalo and haven’t won us a cup. If you are serious about Buffalo winning a cup in the future, then the only way that will happen is to cut our losses now and start truly building for the future.

Step one was getting rid of Darcy Regier – applause goes out to Pegula for finally making the decision to do so. Now lets keep this rebuild going and stock the cupboards and find players who want/can win!

I don’t exactly want to stop but I already know that you are probably at your boiling point and dying to comment below. I really hope that I have some people who agree with my view point – FIRE SALE! EVERYTHING MUST GO!

If you don’t agree with me I would love to hear your opinion, and if you change my mind you win a prize! The prize being you will never have to read an emotional rant of mine that concerns the Sabres rebuild.

 

Disclaimer: To the people whom I have had conversations with to which I discuss above – I mean no offense and I respect your opinion. I just have not heard anything that has changed my thoughts about the rebuild and as you just found out, that was just an emotional rant! 

 

 

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  • Caitlin Campbell

    As much as I love Ryan Miller and would want to see him stay with the Sabres I know that he HAS to go. It’s time. He needs a break and the Sabres like you said are rebuilding. Great article Mark- it will certainly be a shock to lose players like Myers but if that’s what it takes to rebuild this team I’m game.

    • Mark Huss

      YES! That is the right attitude – WHATEVER IT TAKES!

      Thanks CC, means a lot!

      • Jes

        Lol

        • Jes

          Sorry Mark wrong post

          • Mark Huss

            No worries. I can’t keep track anymore.

  • qwicwted

    Mark, I agree with you to a degree – again, I am bothered by Nolan and Patty LaLa’s decision to send all our youngsters, except Girgensens to other venues to play. I guess my thought is we are losing anyway, so why not give them real NHL experience. Perhaps they do need playing time and need to build up their confidence, but don’t you think it is the job of Nolan and Patty to find mentors to help our youth along? In all honesty, I would rather see Armia, Larsson, Gregorenko and our other youngsters play than seeing the same effort given by our vets. We all know Miller and Moulson will be leaving – as much as I really like Moulson, I just don’t see him having the heart to stick around as he has nothing invested in Bflo. I would also put Ennis, Stafford, Erhoff and Myers on the trading block – see what offers come in. I think I would probably keep Ott because of his work ethic and emotion. I think he is a good leader and is a good mentor for our youth.
    What might be a good scenario would be ROR for Erhoff. Send Myers to Philly for Couturier and Mezarios. I would also try to send Ennis and Stafford to Winnipeg for Kane. What might be an interesting trade could be Pavelski for Moulson and Weber or McBain. Also, Bflo could do a Havlet for Leino deal – maybe a change of scenary might be good for each player.
    Thing is – Patty needs a GM – so he either needs to take the job himself or move his search along because he’s had over a month to interview people and it the search was such a high priority as stated – we should have someone by now.

    • Mark Huss

      I like some of your points. I would rather keep Ennis than Ott – but if Ott stays, whoever keeps on coaching Buffalo needs to put him where he belongs, which is not on the PP and not as the extra skater when down 2-1. He is a penalty killer and an agitator, not 1st or 2nd line material.

      I agree there needs to be some sort of veteran presence on the team, but I wan’t it to be someone who is earning their dollars on the ice.

    • Timothy Redinger

      The decision to get the kids out of here wasn’t because the didn’t want them to learn the NHL game, the locker room was toxic…I can guarantee you Grigorenko comes back to the World Juniors with his head right from being a number one, and walks back into a locker room that has a totally different feel to it.

    • JHizzle75

      I don’t care what anyone says, I think Ehrhoff is one of the few Sabres who is worth his contract. I would hate to see him go….Myers too

      • Mark Huss

        ” I would hate to see him go…” – That is the mentality that needs to change for us as fans. Why not be open to other options that could make the Sabres better.

        • JHizzle75

          I am open to options. I just think Ehrhoff is earning his money.
          So I would rather see other players go before Ehrhoff, that’s all .

          • Mark Huss

            I think others should go before Ehrhoff as well. I respectfully disagree that he is making his money.

          • JHizzle75

            Explain how he isn’t, please. The Ehrhoff I see is playing really well

          • Mark Huss

            Regier threw money at him because of the points he put up in VAN, that is what I expect of him, 35+ points.

          • qwicwted

            Hiz – you ever notice that Ehrhoff can’t hit the broad side of a barn let alone the net. Also, he is not the most physical player and rarely does he take the man out. I saw Ehrhoff when he played with the Sharks – there is a reason why the Sharks traded him. I also think that the Sabres did not get what they thought they were getting with him. He’s good and can rack up the minutes, but he can be replaced.

          • JHizzle75

            I watch basically every Sabres game and disagree with your assessment . Except for his aim, that I agree with . But so what? You should be happy we have a guy who shoots the puck. Lol

    • Jes

      I don’t think Philly wants Miller. Mason has been playing great and would command much less.

      • Mark Huss

        Havlat is a no go. I would take Sean Couturier.

        The next GM needs to go line for line and figure out exactly what the Sabres need. One huge issue with the Sabres is everyone is playing a stretch. Coho should be a 2 right now, Ott should be a 3, Stafford should be playing in a beer league.

      • qwicwted

        I don’t believe I said Miller to Philly cause I know he wants to go out west. I say trade Meyers to Philly for Couturier and Mezaros to get out from under his contract – yes, he is playing well – for now. I wouldn’t call him a “stud” and we have the goods coming up with Ristolianen, Ruhwedel and Zadorov – add McNabb and Pysyk we just need a veteran presence. With Couturier you get a young guy who scores goals, is a center and is young.
        Pavelski is playing on the 3rd line right now and next year his salary goes up to $6MM – paying that much for a 3rd line guy doesn’t make much sense to me. Right now, something is up with the Sharks and I can see them doing something soon to get back on track.
        I like Weber, but if retaining him is a condition of Ott staying – then maybe Ott isn’t the guy to help mold the team.

  • Jon Abbey

    I want to see the team move out any free agents they have right now Ott, Moulson, Miller, Tallinder for assets. Then I would love the Sabres to consider a Leino for Brad Richards trade, assuming the rumors are true and they would consider buying him out, Leino is owed $11mil Richards is owed $30Mil it makes perfect sense for the Rangers. We need one solid veteren center for the top six to help Hodgson and Grigorenko as a third line center. it would also give us an idea of how good Ennis, Stafford, girgenson, armia, Adam, Foligno, could be playing with a proper center one two lines instead of just one. I hold on to Myers just because of what happened to Chara after he was traded to Ottawa…

    • JHizzle75

      I agree with that comparison. I would hate to trade Myers and the watch him grow to his full potential with another team. He will never be a beast like Chara…he doesn’t have the mean streak in him, in my opinion, but I think offensively he’s just scratching the surface of what he could become.

      • Mark Huss

        That is the problem though! How long are the Sabres going to sit around and hope for players to grow? You can only wait so long. Plus he is just cashing in! He isn’t earning his money!

        • Jes

          Is anyone on the Sabres not named Girgensons or Pysyk earning there money?

          And please don’t say Miller is, because in all honesty he should have more wins under his belt this season then he has right now. Especially for a guy who is considered to be one of the best. Brodeur and Lundqvist have been doing it there whole careers.

          • Mark Huss

            They would be if we didn’t overpay for them in the first place. Get rid of the mistakes that Darcy made. Everyone in Buffalo wanted him gone for certain mistakes made, but now you don’t want his mess cleaned up?

          • Jes

            What mess? Like seriously only Leino, Miller, Stafford and Myers haven’t been earning there money’s worth.

            Leino is garbage and will never earn his pay. This is probably the only real mess we have on this team.

            Miller should be getting wins. He hasn’t done that for awhile now.

            Stafford has one more year so no real threat there

            And as for Myers have you seen him play since Nolan came in? The guy has turned it into high gear. Why would you even mention wanting trade a defenseman of his caliber when we have absolutely no defense on our team? It’s just non-sense.

            He is the future, and if your talking about us being good in the future then why wouldn’t he be part of your plans? Even in a trade involving Myers your going to have to take a lot of garbage salary in return your not just going to get a top prospect or high draft picks. So that’ll screw up your whole get rid of the overpaid players. In today’s NHL your not getting rid of bad salary for nothing.

          • Jes

            Also Myers isn’t earning his money by about a million otherwise he’s Kickin butt ever since Nolan came into the picture.

          • Mark Huss

            I disagree. You know a guy who is making his money, and a team that did a great job constructing a deal – MTL and PK Subban.

          • Mark Huss

            I agree, Myers has a bad contract and we may have to suck some of it up.

            There is no guarantee that he is going to be the Sabres future, and that is exactly what he has shown in the last few seasons.

          • christopher kapsiak

            There on there way out .. most his mistakes are gone … This why he was fired cuz this rebuild will not take 5 years like his coarse was taking us

          • Mark Huss

            You think this team is going to turn around in an offseason? With keeping Miller and maybe 1 free agent signing?

            So you are reverting back to 2011? Because that is exactly what happened? Regier signed 2 players, and nothing has come of it.

            Plus those two mistakes are still on the team!

  • christopher kapsiak

    I wish we could have a chat cause your opinions and so far off in this matter it’s hysterical.. I would like a good debate on this article

    • Timothy Redinger

      Well here is the forum do to it…….why is it so hysterical that he wants to firesale everything that Darcy did – I am on board, maybe keep one or two guys, but if you really want to clean slate…go for it.

      • christopher kapsiak

        Not against fire sale but coho ott folingo stay I’m just showing this is not a couple year thing… Moulson stays … Meyers I’m either way

        • Mark Huss

          Foligno sure, Coho idk. Ott does nothing for me. Moulson wont stay, and it would be dumb not to trade him, playoffs will be drooling over him come deadline.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I agree with keeping Foligno he is still part of that young potential core

          • Jes

            Lol of course u do

        • Jes

          Moulson and Foligno should be on the go list. Moulson’s got no chemistry with anyone on the team. Foligno has been a disappointment ever since those what 12 PTS in 14 games? Since then he has disappeared from the face of the earth.

    • Mark Huss

      Chat it up! I am here! Or you can find me on twitter, or Facebook.

      • christopher kapsiak

        Ok just a debate not mean but we have to sign miller you have an all-star goalie you keep him… Two regardless of gm we have great young talent beside Flynn he can go don’t need another kaleta we have one Scott to can go. You have to know Stafford or leino will get bought out but if play continues decent my get a suitor come deadline… More cap room …. $$$…at the minimum we have to spend around 30 mill to get to cap floor only next year and with the picks… And islanders won’t take there first back cuz of next year’s 2015 draft to strong … Possibly two picks in first 4 rounds… Say hello to Reinhardt … So miller resigned and youth getting Better and the boat load of free agents coming due to need to spend … We looking at something good really soon… Only reiger could screw this off season up… Now a Stanley cup next year is not what I’m saying but a playoff birth again is definitely in the realm of possibilities… Regardless of gm this will be a new team next season and a good one

        • Mark Huss

          The only part I agree with is cap space, and your the first to bring that up. My plan has flaws, and the cap is one of them. Sabres would need to hit bottom somehow. But I am also not saying that all these players need to go now, kinda of implied it I guess, but it may take time.

          Miller has to go though. All-star sure, but he has had his time in Buffalo. This what I am talking about, why do you want to stick with the same old that hasn’t worked year after year. Plus he is going to be 34, what kind of contract are you going to give him?

          • christopher kapsiak

            To be honest I have no problem if he continues this play to sign him along with what henrick l got… My main point is with all this talent coming you don’t want to be good and not have a goalie .. enroth not a starter and he had at least 4 to 5 solid years left … He can steal playoff games for you when there and I believe we can and stress can be next year … You don’t drop that imo.. 30 m is to the floor we can spend 50 m though .. tell me you can’t get talent here with all these options this off season

          • Mark Huss

            Why waste money to let him retire in a Sabres jersey with no rings?

            Talent is coming up, yes, but not in time for Miller. I don’t want to waste 8 million on a guy to lose. That opinion is hysterical.

            Are you planning to sign every free agent that comes on the market. Who do you think the Sabres can get?

          • Jes

            Ya Mark you can also add to the fact only way UFA’s come to Buffalo is if we vastly overpay.

          • Mark Huss

            Whose side are you on Jes? I thought you were against me? Good point though.

          • Jes

            I agree with some of your points. But your talking about blowing up the team and honestly with young guys we have now we could be in playoffs 3 years from now.

            Getting rid of UFAs now is a great idea.

            Getting rid of cancers like Leino and Stafford is a great idea.

            Getting rid of stud defensmen like Myers isn’t a good idea. I still can’t believe you had Flynn on your no trade list and had Myers on your trade list. I’d trade Ristolainen before Myers.

          • Mark Huss

            Every team needs a good 4th liner, nobody wants an overpaid defenseman with a lousy contract who isn’t producing.

            You are definitely a Buffalonian – not realistic about future play, what is next? Are the Bills going to win the Super Bowl?

          • Jes

            Ok Mark I do not know if your reading my posts right but Myers has been producing since Nolan took over, how do you not see that? Your definitely one of those guys who just go oh everyone on the team is a problem, so trade him.

            Yet you want a guy like Flynn to stick around? Flynn’s a guy you could easily get through free agency at any time of the year. Even through trade. He’s no hot commodity. He’s done absolutely nothing since he’s been here. Last year was a fluke.

            Good fourth liner can be found just by throwing a dart or two at board of pictures.

          • Mark Huss

            Nowhere did I say that Flynn was amazing. I am sure the Boston Bruins just threw darts and landed the “Merlot Line”.

            I am reading your posts perfectly fine, Myers is great right now….he was great 4 years ago too! Everything in-between, garbage!

            I am not saying he has to go, all I am saying is no one should be comfortable when a new GM arrives. AND the Sabres should keep their options open and be willing to let go of players.

          • Jes

            Flynn having to be an untouchable should be something of an amazing player lol. And ya he’s not a good 4th liner now, what makes you think he’s going to be a good 4th liner down the road?

          • Mark Huss

            Flynn is young and cheap. End of story with that, no idea why you are stuck on Flynn.

            Coho is someone who I would consider keeping around. He needs to know that he may only be a #2 center though.

          • Jes

            Young and cheap? There are so many players in the NHL that are young and cheap, doesn’t mean they are any good.

            And when you put Flynn on a no trade list and then say Myers as guy who you’d trade then obviously it’s going to raise eyebrows. Myers > Flynn any day of the week. Still can’t believe you said that and still have support on this board but that’s just me.

          • Mark Huss

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Have you read anything, I barely have any support hahaha. With all do respect, can you please drop the Flynn thing.

          • Jes

            Zzzzzz to what?

            With all do respect take it out of your article. If you didn’t want it brought up in the comment section you should’ve never wrote it lol.

            And honestly any GM in the league even an interim one like Lafontaine, if he read Flynn over Myers he would be laughing his ass off from sun up to sun down. Honestly I’m still laughing.

          • Mark Huss

            I stand by what I wrote, but you are also making it sound like I chose one over the other, like they were the only two choices, and that is not the case.

            Btw, just as a topper, your “stud” defenseman had less points than the guy you are ripping on, last season. Don’t come at me saying that it is apples and oranges because of position either. Flynn played less games, and received less ice-time that easily makes it comparable. Myers is suppose to be a top 2 defender but he can’t get more points than someone you seem to be calling worthless……

            Give Flynn the same opportunity as last season and he outshines Myers this season. Like Dano has brought up, Myers is taking bad penalties, pinching at the wrong times and isn’t producing at a rate he should be.

          • Dano

            In all fairness to Jes, *I* wont evaluate a forward in comparison to a defenseman and feel doing such ( with Flynn in your example ) is unbalanced.

            I’ve never played forward and havent much experience at the position ( a couple half games when people lost teeth or left due to injury, I filled in. )

            I do think it would be wrong to make a comparison between the 2 ENDLESS said defenseman was like Green ( Washington ), Karlsson ( Ottawa ) or Letang ( PIttsburgh ). A defenseman thats hyped about their ‘ offensive ‘ upside.

            I look at ‘ defensemen ‘ as stay at home blue liners. People whom punish opposing teams forwards and ( most importantly ), the guys whom clear the crease and drop hammers on those whom might get ‘ a bit to close ‘ to their respective goal tenders ( Big no-no to go near a goaltender and NOT have bruises on their lower backs, hacked ankles, etc.. )

            Myers does none of the above. I would like to say he watches those things happen while hes in the box, but, Weber is the closest thing to what I would call a ‘ defenseman ‘ and hes just outright aweful!

            *IF* Myers were to have taken penalties for roughing people whom were near the crease or punishing a forward, maybe laying the lumber on someone coming in/driving the net, I could say ‘ good penalty ‘. But thats not at all what hes doing.

          • Jes

            The only players that should be safe besides the rookies are…..

            Hodgson, Myers and Enroth.

          • Jes

            Ok so now we are getting somewhere you admit that he’s doing great now and has been since the coaching change and when he finally turns a corner you want to get rid of him?

            Who’s on that Merlot line?

          • Jes

            I will for sure Dano. You have good points but honestly I do disagree with the main part that you conclude that Myers is an average defenseman. He’s much better and he is just scratching the surface. You guys think that rookie year was his best you guys will be sorely mistake. And that +/- stat is really used a lot, but IMO it’s just a glorified stat.

          • Dano

            If we take away the +/- state, How is it, Myers, a ‘ stud ‘ as you have named him, will ( probably ) pass John Scott ( a supposed goon ) and Cody McCormic in penalty minutes in the next week ( endless the 2 forth liners shed the mitts a few times ).

            I need for you to look at Myers as a ‘ package ‘. Whats does he do defensively, right now, that benefits the team or outweighs all the shorthanded time he puts on the team with all those penalties? What does he do Offensively : He TRIES to carry the puck or setup passes.. He gets an A+ for effort.

            Reality Jes.. Hes just not up to the standards everyone is holding him to. Hes an ‘ Average ‘ defenseman at best.

            Myers is tied for the 43rd most penalized player in the league. Thats in the same list with all the enforcers, pests, goons and other ‘ 4th line ‘ type players from the whole league!

            If you have a defenseman whom is constantly in the box, constantly leaving your team short handed and having to put ‘ special teams ‘ on for extra minutes.. What do you do?

            It would be one thing if Myers were used as a ‘ scrappy ‘ defenseman like Engelland on Pittsburgh or Gudbranson on the Panthers, but hes not.

            The ONLY way *I* would keep Myers is if he found the ‘ Mean Streak ‘ he had in Juniors. I absolutely believed the kid was going to be the next Playfair. He was Nasty! Used the lumber, used his size, Intimidated other players and wasnt afraid to toss the mitts. I could forget about the PIM’s if he played that way, it would be expected. But thats not how he ( presently ) plays.

            There was some ‘ hope ‘ for him from myself a while back, no longer though.

            I will same the same about Zadorov. I have a high expectation for him to be a nasty defenseman, the kind that would make Pronger look like an angel. If he forgets his roots, he can join Myers elsewhere.

          • Mark Huss

            I could care less if Myers has the game of his life next game, stats are stats. A few games under a new coach aren’t going to change my mind. If I were any player on the Sabres I would be working my ass off under a new coach and management because I know I am under watch.

          • JHizzle75

            Ha ha ha. It would appear we have a little situation, Jes. Lol
            I’m a Dolphins fan from Alberta.
            ( Sorry everybody !)
            Who gets the last wild card in the AFC? Ravens beat us so they hold the tie breaker. A little off topic, I know, just thought it was funny that we’re both Sabre fans who live in Canada and don’t root for the Bills

          • Jes

            Lol i like the Dolphins too. Cheer for them to make playoffs when Ravens aren’t in. They need to go after a new QB, someone like Vick would be awesome in a Dolphins jersey. Tannenhill can’t seem to use his WR’s. Vick would easily put you in the running for playoffs and make Wallace a huge threat. Lol yup waaaaay off topic.

          • Dano

            Jes.. Myers is not a ‘ stud ‘ defenseman. Hes a ‘ could have been ‘ or a ‘ maybe in the far away future ‘.

          • Jes

            That’s the thing Dano you seem to give up too fast on players. Like Grigorenko. I’m sure you’ve seen Myers play change drastically with Nolan in the picture and in those games he has become a stud defenseman. He is just scratching the tip of the iceberg. He’s a future Norris Candidate. Saying he’s a would’ve player is way over the top.

            I respectfully disagree.

          • Dano

            Thing is, I HAVE seen him play as of recent, season ticket holder for far too long.

            His play hasnt changed ‘ drastically ‘, hes just playing a little more physical then he did at the beginning of the season. Hes still prone to give aways or missed passes, hes still allowing an open forward to the net. Hes still loosing battles in the corners. Hes still trying to pinch all too often and leaving odd man rushes..

            Hes a ‘ common ‘ or ‘ average ‘ defenseman at this present point.

            I agree with Mark on this whole heartedly ( ‘ rebuilding ‘ ).

            When your engine tosses a rod, you dont just mill down the one journal on the crank and rod and get a larger bering. You do the whole bottom end and if feasible, redo the heads as its all apart anyway. Look at the whole picture, not just one small part. Rebuild for the long term, not a quick fix.

            Of ALL of those whom have played Defense for Buffalo this year, only 2 people stand out to me. Zadorov and McBain. Zadorov isnt completely ready yet and McBain is neither a Defensive or Offensive type ( he doesnt pair with anyone that well IMO, useless part so to say ).

            The wonder years of Tallinder with Myers in his rookie campaign are gone. Bringing Tallinder back was a mistake.

            Myers is -14 with 8 points after 32 games. Hes tied with Ott for the worst +/- on the team. Hes 2 minor penalties away from catching Scott and McCormic in PIMS.

            Myers is only 1 of 6 ( or 7 ) Defensemen on the card every game. NONE of regulars are doing any good and all should be put on the table.

          • Mark Huss

            “I agree with Mark on this whole heartedly” – I am not sure if you are talking about in general, or just Myers, either way Thank You.

          • Dano

            Both.

          • Mark Huss

            Nice to see that I have one person on my side. I like the idea of RFA’s, and definitely keeping it younger than 28, maybe 30 depending on who it is for UFA’s.

            Nothing says we can’t turn a couple picks into players or prospects at the draft either instead of drafting.

          • Dano

            Maybe pry Jordan Stall from the hurricanes? Offer one of the acquired first rounders and a prospect? Try and keep Moulson and Buy Steen from St. Louis? Theres MANY ways to build a first line that scores or at least looks to have the talent to score with proven players.

            I just find myself looking at some of what Darcy did in the draft and scratch my head. ‘ Where are they now? ‘.

            How about talking to Miller, see if he wants to go to Colorado and strike up some kind of deal? Miller and a second for Ryan-O ( or some kind of pick or prospect ). Offer to eat a year of millers contract is he signs in Colorado ( keeping the floor cap stable in Buffalo ).

            Theres sooooo many ways to do a complete rebuild, not just drafting.

          • qwicwted

            Thanks Dano – you hit the nail right on the head. Thing is, Meyers seems to be playing better so my thought is maybe you sneak him into a trade – Philly is always looking for the next Pronger and I could Philly licking their chops over the availabilty of Meyers.

          • Dano

            Problem is, Philly has all of 3 players on their team pulling their weight. I would go as far as to say they are in WORSE shape then Buffalo.

          • christopher kapsiak

            Wgr already put out that article there is a good free agent pool this year

          • Mark Huss

            Yes, there is a good free agent pool. Who are you replacing in the line-up though for newly signed players?

            You can’t keep everyone and sign everyone? Who is going?

          • Jes

            That doesn’t mean anything Chris. There’s always a somewhat of a good free agent pool every year and no one ever wants to come here, what makes you think they will be coming now?

          • qwicwted

            Yeah, the cream of the crop – Thornton, Marleau, Vanek and most of the to UFA know where they want to play next year and some are willing to take the Home Town Discount – Sorry to say Buffalo ain’t one of those towns.

          • Dano

            I would toss in RFA’s into the mix and theres quite a few *I* would consider. Sure, your giving up some picks on unproven talent compared to whats already been seen on the NHL level.

            A total rebuild through just the draft isnt going to work.

          • qwicwted

            Christopher, I don’t think the Sabres really have to worrry about the cap, maybe the Sabres should look at signing someone like Brandon Morrow, Brian Gionta or Mike Cammerelli to mentor our guys. All three work hard, are leaders and would be great mentors. I think making available most of our assets will get us assets in return – maybe not a Star, but possibly a solid player like Couturier or how about another Foglino? Sharks need to do something – how about Ennis/Stafford deal for Pavelski or Moulson going to the Rangers in return for Brad Richards – rumor has it that BR will be bought out at the end of this year – he would be a good mentor? In all honesty, I don’t think the Sabres will buy out Leino or Stafford – their contracts aren’t breaking the bank so there is no urgency, especially when Stafford has only one more year and has been playing pretty decent.
            Thing is…..we all can be armchair GM’s – but until the Sabre’s hire someone – nuttin is gonna get done. The good thing is that while the Sabres are still losing, they look better – so that is helping raise some of our player’s values.

          • Jes

            Steal playoff games? Guy you gotta be realistic, we won’t be in the playoffs for like at least 3 years. There’s no way in hell Miller still brings it for us at then. So there’s nothing he can steal for us when that time comes.

            Paying him Henrik money? Lol that’s laughable. Lundqvist is always a leader on a team. Barely throws hissy fits unlike Miller and gets wins and shutouts. The exact opposite of Miller. Miller is a $5 Million a year goalie. He’s closer to Mike Smith then he is Lundqvist.

          • christopher kapsiak

            And why I want to stick with him … Cuz imagine what he could do with a real team and defense

          • Mark Huss

            This real team you speak off, is nowhere to be seen and won’t be coming to Buffalo anytime soon!

          • christopher kapsiak

            And look at Edmonton no one wants to go there and there drafted talent will want to leave to … That is not an ideal team to follow …

          • Mark Huss

            I would take all that talent together any day of the week compared to what the Sabres have.

          • JHizzle75

            And they would take Miller any day of the week….

          • Jes

            Drafted talent wants to leave? What drafted talent? Eberle, Hall, Gagner and RNH are all signed long term.

          • Jes

            Guy we aren’t going to have a real team for at least 2 seasons, and that’s if everything falls into place. And knowing our luck that doesn’t happen to us.

            You honestly think Miller’s going to be bringing it like this at the age of 36? No man he’s dwindling down and has been for some time now.

        • Jes

          @ Christopher

          With a bottom feeder like us that just gotten much worse then last year we have absolutely no chance of making the playoffs next year. Miller in net isn’t going to save us. Enroth can put up similar numbers on a losing team. Nothing short of Ristolainen turning into Shea Weber, Zadorov turning into Lidstrom and Girgensons turning into Getzlaf next year will save us.

          • Mark Huss

            DING DING DING DING, JOHNNY TELL HIM WHAT HE HAS WON!!!!! We are in last place….by a lot. Don’t be selfish and put Miller through that again and again and again.

            A rebuild takes time, so lets take some time, get rid of who we can for a good price and move on. I am fine with losing for a couple years if I know they are doing the rebuild right.

            Just wait until Edmonton takes off, then you will all be begging to suck for years and years. Not 100% sure Edmonton will take off, but they could with the right goalie….like MILLER. Which is exactly what the Sabres can do 5 years from now, find a good goaltender. We don’t need one right now – BECAUSE WE ARE LOSING ANYWAYS!

          • christopher kapsiak

            You guys arent making sense… What about the cap no one said anything about those players leading the team with the money we have … The fact not opinion … Is people are moving trades will happen and free agents and I stress plural will be signed the will be a whole new team with those same young players growing… This team is in last place … Next year won’t be nothing close to this team … Flynn mccommerick and these likes won’t even make the roster… Especially with free up Stafford and leino cap space and not like a gm can’t move coho either… And edmonton ha … You want to suck for years upon years and then maybe have one shot… Sidney and malkin don’t win every year nor Detroit… To much competition in nhl … All I’m saying is we already bottomed out and the time to start building.. and do that with a flagpost on goalie

          • Jes

            Your nuts if you think the Sabres are going to turn it around next year.

          • Mark Huss

            So you are saying what I am saying, but adding Miller into the equation? That is your argument?

          • Dano

            “Flynn mccommerick and these likes won’t even make the roster”

            So.. you ditch Scott, then Flynn and McC.. Are you going to get ice-ballerinas to replace them? IceCapades types? Toronto, Boston and quite a few others will LOVE coming to Buffalo to play!

            “we have to sign miller you have an all-star goalie you keep him”

            Even thought all signs show he wants out of here? He sold his house, has stated he believed last season he played his last game in Buffalo ( and expected to be moved before summer was over ), hes been asked for a list of teams that fit his tradeable teams from the last manager..

            I dont know about you, If my working conditions were as stated, I would look for employment elsewhere, doesnt matter the paycheck.

            If you know you have 50$ today and can buy a new car, but your 50$ will only be worth 10$ next week, do you sang the car or not? Im a buyer at that point! Its a commodity.

            Enroth is an ‘ ok ‘ goaltender. Hackett is developing. There are other goaltenders out there. Miller is a commodity that has a value to *someone else*. Get that 50$ worth.

            “Possibly two picks in first 4 rounds… Say hello to Reinhardt ”

            Its not guaranteed. The Draft lotto hasnt been selected yet. Other teams might want some of those picks Buffalo has, what are they going to offer for them? Will they offer that 50$ thats worth something or less? Its wishful thinking to believe that Buffalo will wind up with all these top picks as if they are ‘ entitled ‘ to them for doing so bad, but there are not written in stone.

            Theres a lot of assets and commodities to manage. There needs to be an empty slate to put the pieces on and shuffle them around to see whats needed and what isnt.

          • christopher kapsiak

            Your a idiot lol who don’t pay attention to shut … Miller said plenty of times he would stay and loves buffalo and stated he is house cause imminent he would be leaving based on actions… Plus there’s a big difference between skill tough players like Boston retard.. and tough players with no skill at all !!! You only keep two if that of them not 3 lines… Talk to me when you actually have played the sport you speak off

          • Mark Huss

            Whoa whoa, don’t be an a*sh*le, everyone has a right to their own opinion.

          • christopher kapsiak

            Agreed not needed .. just aggravates when people put words in mouth.. I’m open to opinion sure ….but by no means did I say get ballerinas in here there’s a reason we average one goal … We thought if we got tough we be good .. having tough guys with no skillis a waste though

          • Dano

            Whats aggravating is your lack of reading comprehension skills. Nobody stated ” no means did I say get ballerinas in here “. The punctuation of ” ? ” at the end of my sentence implies a question was presented, not that you stated anything worthy.

          • christopher kapsiak

            O wow should I spell right from a phone fag? That was a question right .. it’s a sports post not English class.. what does military have anything to do with anything either. Im a veteran sooo. Any one can say they play hockey .. don’t mean I’m buying it buddy

          • Dano

            I say this in all respect : The way you word things might make others question what your stating. Take a moment and look over what your writing before posting it. Instead of flaming on others because you present yourself as illiterate or lacking in communications skills.

            ” just aggravates when people put words in mouth..”

            Are people putting words in your mouth or are they trying to decipher the position you relay in your message?

            It might save you that aggravation you spoke of earlier if you just took a simple moment, put some effort into your task and reflected upon it.

            Semper Fi, Buddy.

          • Dano

            Im an Idiot? Clue for you: Ive been called worse by much better people. Ones whom can actually construct a sentence to begin with. Example :

            “Miller said plenty of times he would stay and loves buffalo and stated he is house cause imminent he would be leaving based on actions…”

            Are you inferring to Miller selling his house? Something one would do if they were leaving an area?

            “You only keep two if that of them not 3 lines…”

            Then the top comment :

            “Talk to me when you actually have played the sport you speak off”

            I started playing back in High School ( looking at you picture, it was before you were probably born, Im an older guy. ). I would have went into college leagues but chose to join the military instead. Ive played on a pond since. Yes, a real pond thats freezing over quite nicely right now. Hope to have some games next week if the temperatures stay where they are.

          • Dano

            What I do like is you have no responses to what was presented, but took the moment to try and insult someone else. Its speaks to the core of your character and speaks to your worthiness of conversation.

          • Jes

            I believe we said this last year to. About the young players growing and we’ll be good this season Christopher but we aren’t. We haven’t been able to sign UFA’s for awhile now besides Leino and Ehrhoff I can’t think of the last UFA that was willing to come here. With the salary cap going up the better free agents are just going to head to the better teams. When Buffalo was never on there minds when we were actually one of the best teams in the league, why would it be on there minds if we are the worst team in the league?

          • JHizzle75

            If it was that easy Edmonton would have a great goalie by now. I live a couple hours East of Edmonton and am very familiar with the team and their struggles. They , unlike Buffalo, drafted forward after forward with the top picks they “earned”. Now you have a team that can score plenty of goals, but can’t stop them. Edmonton , like Buffalo, has a hard time luring free agents. If you think we can just pick up an all-star goalie in 5 years you should talk to some Oiler fans, their team has been trying for a while.

  • christopher kapsiak

    Opinions are so far off*

  • aArdvark

    Agree with everything except Myers. He is a completely different players since Rolston left.
    Get rid of Tallinder – he’s horrible.

    • Mark Huss

      Fine, but if teams come knocking for Myers, I am listening – because as a new GM while rebuilding that is what you have to do. That is all I am getting at, why sit around and keep projects when you can dangle some bait and see what you can get. I am not saying lets get rid of Myers for a 4th round draft pick.

      • aArdvark

        Fair point. No one should be off limits if the price is right. Perhaps the mentality shouldn’t be “Everything Must Go”, but rather “Everything Can Go”.

        • Mark Huss

          I can compromise, I like that – “Everything Can Go”.

          I like your thought process.

          • aArdvark

            Like the “Suck for Luck” Campaign the Colts had 2 years ago – is it time to consider McTank-ing for McDavid for 2015?

          • Mark Huss

            Probably

          • Jes

            Agreed. In all likelihood we will be worse next year. With Moulson, Ott, and Miller on there way out. So I believe we are already in the McTanking for McDavid running.

  • Jes

    You should have Myers on that untouchable list, guys a beast. Coming into his own now. And Flynn an untouchable? Lol your nuts man. Myers is a building block. I have no clue what you were smoking when you said trade Myers and have Flynn as a keeper?

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I’m really on the fence about Myers, I think he could be a kid to build around but at other times I’m not sure if he will

      • Mark Huss

        That is just it, I am sick of being on the fence. The Sabres are either horrible or ridiculously inconsistent.

    • Mark Huss

      Not 100% sure why I put Flynn there. He has moxy, he is the future of 4th line guys, some skill, lots of grit – like a Paille.

      Myers came into his own his rookie season and has been nowhere since. Myers was a building block that has crumbled under a huge contract and too much organizational pressure.

  • Mark Huss

    Is anyone keeping score? I believe I am winning by a lot, but I just wanted to know if anyone is running the scoreboard and can give me a number?

    No one has changed my mind yet. The cap space defense is intriguing though. Thought about, didn’t want to attack it though because I new it was a weakness.

    My answer to the cap issue with a fire sale….offer a shit-load to Alfie and Selanne, giving them both a 2 year deal. Then make offers to players 28 and younger. If we need to hit the cap floor.

    • christopher kapsiak

      We’re all sick of the lack of consistently and motivation but I believe this changes allot this off season… We shall see … But you want good veterans to help these young guys grow and remember as much as they make look good a good handful just aren’t gonna cut it .. you build through fa and the draft not just the draft

      • Mark Huss

        I never said to not build through FA, but hopefully the next GM does it right.

        What veterans do you want leading guys? Miller? His attitude has to be awesome right now, I can hear it now – “Hey young guys, work your ass off year after year just go get nowhere!”

        The there is Ott – “Hey young guys, want to get under someones skin? Trying licking them in the face-off circle!”

        My opinion is hysterical to you, but you haven’t made one good point! Sign Miller, find a good free agent. Come on, be serious, that would be a half asses job and a band-aid. The Sabres need a full fledged rebuild, not some half-assed crap.

        • christopher kapsiak

          You have totally mis understood me again it’s not one free agent and getting rid of miller don’t help the team nor in any respectful gm’s mind is this a 5 year process… Fire sale all u want I’m glad … Miller should stay and a select few especially ott … Good god every team would take ott .. a good skater, makes good decisions with puck , not a goal scorer sure , but brings it and draws penalties as well and has more than 4th line talent and for cheep … And you want him gone… I’m sure you want ed briere and study gone to … Everyone don’t have to go but sure many do… And with Reinhardt and few good free agents and boom were getting good… Not done rebuilding!! But moving in the right direction… We already hit bottom no reason to suck beyond this year once Stafford and leino gone and some real pplayers signed and smart drafting

          • Mark Huss

            You don’t think that Ott won’t ask for more money? His cap hit is almost $3 mil, the Sabres named him C and basically gave him the key to the city, he will ask for more.

            Plus Miller’s cap hit goes up $2 mil, there is $3-4 mil extra. What happens if the Sabres tank again, or don’t make the playoffs. Now Miller is 35 and you wasted a year of his $8 mil contract.

            Everyone wants Ott! That is the point I am making, he has the potential to bring in a lot. Why waste money and a few years when we can gain prospects or picks that will be the next 10 years of the Sabres future?

          • christopher kapsiak

            Well because imo we have enough prospects look at all our young talent and the draft picks we have this year.. prospects are a crap shoot and we have enough good ones know to stop looking for more and and start thinking trades and free agents if time and player it’s right… On a side note there was a article on the most bargain players ( players with cheap salaries do great ) quess a couple names this year… Gerbe, Boyes, kennedy… fact is allot people don’t want to play in buffalo and that needs to change for anything to happen.. imo you don’t change that mentality by turning your back on miller and your captain the league sees that and all we did this year to change our image will be for not.

  • Dano

    An aspect that really needs to be looked into for this rebuild is ‘ contract length ‘ and ‘ movement clauses ‘. Make it known that theres a cap at 3-4years max in length and movement clauses are non existent. Keep away the people looking for huge dollars that might feel they can ‘ slide and glide ‘ without producing/putting effort into their game.

    • Mark Huss

      I like where your head is at Dano.

      • Dano

        Rebuilding isnt just getting rid of a few players and drafting fresh blood. Its like an engine, then a part of a drivetrain, then a part of a whole car.

        Theres no use in having 1000hp in a car if your transmission is going to explode or you slap on a pair of 20$ used tires that wont stick.

        Buffalos BIGGEST problem right now is *consistency*. THAT is what a new GM needs to look at.

        -They are now starting to consistently show up to play 45-60 minutes. Took a few games but its happening.
        -They have had consistent goaltending all year IMO. For facing 40+ shots a game for all too many games, I dont se any issues with goaltending outside of player drama ( Miller being moved/wanting to leave.. whatever. )
        -They have consistently collapsed on Defense. Lost the battle in the corners, gave up shots.. Their defensive play has consistently ‘ sucked ‘ ( to use a popular term I really dont care for ).
        -Their scoring has been consistent as well. ‘ Not present ‘ or ‘ sucked ‘.

        Wipe the slate clean and start with a baseline of known talent. Look for a couple of UFA’s in the 24-30 year range that have the lacking aspects covered. look for guys whom address the concept of ‘ team ‘ and add such character. THAT is where I believe a rebuilding needs to start.

        • Mark Huss

          Agree

        • Jes

          With your last paragraph I agree to an extent. Yes starting with a clean slate is awesome and that’s what I want to but throwing away the young pieces we have now is just crazy IMO. Building around Enroth, Myers and Hodgson is what we should be doing. With pieces like Pysyk, Ristolainen, Zadorov, McCabe coming through adding Myers to the list we would be rivaling St. Louis in defensive depth and become Stanley Cup contenders.

          • Dano

            I would like to ask : Outside of 1 year, what does Myers offer/bring to the table that any other average defenseman doesnt?

            Hes not a bust, but theres a lot cheaper out there and in some instances, a significant better for the same cap hit.

            Is Hodgson going to want to be a 3rd line center once again, the same way he was with the Canucks or will he want to go elsewhere?

            I think Marks whole article was in design to have us all take a real ‘ In-Depth ‘ look at whats presently on the table and realize.. there really isnt much there to build from.

            If thats his intention, I need to convincing to jump on his ship and go sailing. A couple prospects and a big handful of draft choices are all thats truly ‘ there ‘. People need to realize such before anything can be done.

            Hard pill to swallow, but its true.

          • Mark Huss

            Not exactly that there isn’t anything there to build upon, but more that the players and contracts that you would want to build on just aren’t right. If Myers was only make $2-3 mil and his contract was done in a year or so, it could be different. But he is the highest paid defenseman on the team and hasn’t played like it for years. Same situation with Ehrhoff, Stafford and Leino.

            It is half about talent and half about horrible contracts that I would just rather the Sabres not have. Because right now, they aren’t worth it.

          • christopher kapsiak

            Pysyk please trade him.. enroth will never be a starter … agree with you but those two could leave town too right with Stafford

          • Jes

            Lol Pysyk has been one of our best defensemen all year long and he’s in his first full year and you wanna trade him? Lol obviously you haven’t watched closely enough. And Enroth’s got better numbers then Miller and he will be a starter next year.

          • Mark Huss

            Never said Enroth is the answer, and I don’t ever expect him to be.

  • Mark Huss

    Everyone has brought up good points, and I am glad you all took the time to chime in.

    All I really wanted to get across was that the new GM may walk-in and really shake things up and If I were you, I wouldn’t get too attached to any players, because they could potentially all be on the trading block soon.

    During my conversations with people they all mention players who are playing well, and the realization is, those are the players that the Sabres should deal because they will bring in the most return for the future.

    The Sabres do have a lot of solid players moving through the ranks, so lets get rid of the weak links now and build for the future. No band-aids, I want Buffalo to do this right, even if it takes 5 years, because you know what, Regier was right about that, it is going to take time.

  • Mark Huss

    So by the sounds of it, we have some Miller defenders out there, some Myers defenders, and Ehrhoff defenders as well.

    So I assume everyone is ok with getting rid of Leino and Stafford? Where is that small percentage that said not to buy-out Leino?

    And, if everyone is ok with getting rid of those two, why not Myers? Same situation, except Myers is getting paid EVEN more! Age I suppose?

  • Joe

    Mmyers is starting to look better with nolan coaching so he still shows potential. As for stafford and leino see ya later

  • davidmuscalo

    No rebuild will work without Miller. He can not be replaced and Enroth is merely an adequate backup who could never carry the team. As for the others, compared to Miller, they are all just others with no distinctive attributes or particular talents that can move this team forward.

    • christopher kapsiak

      Agreed

    • Mark Huss

      Miller is going to be 34 years old this offseason….how long do you expect him to play well?!?

      Plus that sentence makes no sense anyways, a rebuild that works? No one is good during a rebuild!

  • Mark Huss

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