Poll: Who Is on the Buffalo Sabres No-Touch List?

For today’s poll we’re going to ask y’all to put on your GM cap and play the role of the Buffalo Sabres GM (even though they currently

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don’t exist). While the Buffalo Sabres may not choose to go into a full out fire-sale, it’s pretty obvious that a number of veteran players on the current roster won’t be back next season.

Whether it’s because they want too much money, just want want out of Buffalo, or the Sabres can get a solid return for the future, a few of the current Buffalo Sabres will no longer be Buffalo Sabres. Even if the Sabres are to make a hard run to land Connor McDavid next year, they will still need to sell a lot of asset’s off in order to rack up draft picks to try and coax the number one pick in case they don’t get that coveted top spot in the next draft.

For argument sake let’s say the next Buffalo Sabres core will be made up of Zemgus Girgensons, Mikhail Grigorenko, Nikita Zadorov, Joel Armia and Rasmus Ristolainen (among other young players). Which veterans do you want to see still on the Sabres roster to help this young core grow?

Could Ryan Miller be a useful mentor for Matt Hackett or are the Sabres confident enough to move forward with Jhonas Enroth and Matt Hackett between the pipes? Could Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff be useful in helping Mark Pysyk, Rasmus Ristolainen and Nikita Zadorov grow?

What About Cody Hodgson, Matt Moulson and Steve Ott, could they be useful in helping the rookie forwards grow?

Going forward with young players as the new core will almost ensure the Sabres have a shot at McDavid and will develop into an exciting team, but veterans are key in the development of a team.

So, if you’re the GM of the Buffalo Sabres which player would you absolutely not trade away? Vote for the player you wouldn’t trade and explain why in the comments.

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  • chas territo

    Evidently it’s DREW STAFFORD! Otherwise he’d already be gone. We have such a bad franchise here in Buffalo,N.Y.!! Can’t he be just frigging cut?

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Regier was very protective of players even when they didn’t deserve it and that’s why Stafford is still here.

  • davidmuscalo

    Ryan Miller – the others are just that others. You can’t replace Miller. Myers shouldn’t even be on the list. I get rid him ASAP. We have many good defensemen in the pipeline who are willing to pay the price to excel in the NHL. Myers is in it for a paycheck and, in my opinion, would be much happier playing elsewhere.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree that it won’t be easy to replace Ryan Miller because he’s more than just some goaltender but I don’t agree about Myers, He’s worked hard and improved a lot this season

    • Jes

      lol

  • BryanD

    Keep: All current Goaltending staff, Ott, Ehrhoff, Hodgson, Girgensons, Ennis
    Discard: Stafford, Myers, Lenio , Moulson, Scott, Grigorenko

    What’s needed….First off a GM or for La Fontaine to come out and say he’s the GM. A first line forward with defensive skills . A first line defenceman to pair with Ehrhoff who isn’t a -14 for the year and some 2 way players..don’t need to be big names but guys that can score..play the puck and block a shot once and a while. Grigorenko can be used as good top pick bate for Mc David if we need to get the top pick next year. The markets to soft to get rid of Miller now. With Scrivens in LA , Peters in CAR , Harding for the Wild , Gustavsson stepping up for Howard in Detroit and Bishop finally giving the lightning stable goaltending in TB . It’s a flooded market and we would get nothing for him and might as well give him a big contract to keep him happy..Happy goalie..happy results

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I like your idea of keeping Miller happy for at least another season until the market improves and I agree that aside from Myers the Sabres need another top defence man

      • BryanD

        Myers best option I say Dallas. Let ruff whip him back in to shape and be closer to his home.

    • Jes

      Keep Miller? Why in the world will he ever sign here? You know he’ll sign for a lesser amount with a contender. He’s already sold his house, that’s a huge sign in him going. He’s 33 now, he’s going to be dwindling down and has been for awhile now. Why give a $5 million goalie the $7 million he probably command from us a year? He’s done in the City of Buffalo, all you Miller homers just got to face facts.

      • BryanD

        Problem is with all the backups standing on there heads. A 7 Mil goalie might have issues finding a job anywhere in the league. Like Scrivens he’s making $500,000 this year and giving elite numbers. Give him 2 mill and your set. Same with Bishop in TB 4.5mil and he’s set. Not many teams will have the room for a 7 mil goalie in the later end of his nhl life. I say give him a 6.5-7 mill contract for a couple years just to make him happy for a bit and deal him when the times right a couple year contract we can flip him without having a huge contract tied up in the cap for years

    • qwicwted

      I agree with Bryan – Patty needs to either hire a GM or assume the mantle himself. Can’t do anything without one, so it might as well be sooner rather than later. In addition, I think most everyone is fair game on the Sabres – except our youngsters, Hodgeson, Girgensens, Pysyk and Ott. Meyers has improved his play – so to me I would try to get what I could for him – Philly is a good start and maybe getting Couturier and Meszaros – reason why I say Meszaros is because Philly would need to free up cap space for Meyers. While Meyers has improved, I still see a lot of the same mistakes happening, he’s just gotten more aggressive. I would also try to unload Ehroff – while he may play lots of minutes, I don’t think we got what we were expecting. We have some real good prospects in the pipeline and I think we just need a solid Vet to mentor them. I would keep Ott as he is the type of player you want your youngsters to emulate – as such I would use some of our assets to get a top tier player who has a couple of years left on their contact – maybe trade a Moulson and Ennis for a Pavelski – another player you want your kids to emulate – so you give up two talented players, but you get Pavelski for 6 years, Then I would trade Grigorenko/Stafford to Winnepeg for Kane or maybe Grigorenko for ROR and then try to do a deal of Leino for Havlet.

      Havlet, Pavelski and Ott would be great mentors for our youngsters. At this point I think Miller is a wash – as stated the market is soft and Miller has eliminated most of the teams that need a goalie via his NMC. So, I guess we are stuck with each other. I don’t see Enroth as our future, but I do see Hackett – so maybe the answer is get what we can with Enroth and look at Miller and Hackett as our goaltending tandem.

  • Kevin

    How old is Myers now 24 or 25? Dmen don’t hit their stride until around 28. it’s a tough positions to master.. And it’s getting tougher every year as the forwards are becoming more and more talented. I wouldn’t give up on the guy so early. You can’t honestly say he hasn’t improved over this year? And don’t say last season, because that was a waste for every player. Such a mess nobody excelled. Not even the league, until the playoffs. I’m not going to admit he got better because of HT because who knows that if that’s really true or not? Tallinder and McBain are gone at the end of the year anyway. They were just stop gaps. Miller needs to stay. I agree with whomever said that. As far a Stafford, I wouldn’t get rid of him for nothing. He is playing like most of the 3rd line rw in the league (which all we would get for him), and leads the team in shots. So he must be doing something right to get the scoring chances. He is doing we want, shooting the puck, they just aren’t going in for one reason or another. Just like all the rest of the players on the team. And the Sabres aren’t the only snake bitten team. We just happen to be the worst. But, as long as they keep shooting that’s all they can do. They don’t have the talented finishers that the good teams have. Oh! one last thing, if the Sabres would have won at least half of the one goal losses, things would be a little more positive around here. Because, winning games hides mistakes from plain view.

    • chas territo

      Sorry dude, Stafford has sucked for about 3 damn years, cut him and the losses. He dioes not deserve to wear any uniform in the NHL, he is that lazy and bad.

      • Kevin

        I have no problem with getting rid of him, just letting him go for nothing. Correct me if wrong, like we did Paille and MaCarthur.

        • chas territo

          It takes what we don’t have in Buffalo, BALLS, to cut such an unproductive and lazy SOB like Stafford! Take the damn losses, tht’s my opinion and I stand by it. Look at what might happen if we cut his ass, the rest of the players may just concentrate and play more good games because if we can cut a so-called high priced good(?) player like him, everybodies roster spot can be subject to the same!

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree about Myers, I would keep him in a flash he’s definitely improved under Nolan and iwll only get better as he matures. It’s far too early to give up on him. I’d love to see Miller stay if it benefits the future of the team and if he wants to and I agree with not letting Stafford walk for nothing.

    • JHizzle75

      That’s what I think also. We just don’t have the finishing touch on offence. The team has been playing much better under Nolan, we’re even out-shooting some teams….and really haven’t been losing that badly. Last 8 games or so have all been 1 goal games except for 2 two goal games. Chicago lost by 4 on Saturday and they’re the defending champs!!!!
      We need to focus on offence, I think we are set up well on defence, apart from a couple veterans ( Tallinder, McBain , Weber) who we won’t get much for anyway….and we have some potential in our system on defence. We should be trying to get more skill and speed up front, and I hope we use our assets to try acquire some first-line type players.

  • Joe

    Myers for sure. Hes still extremely young for a defenseman and is looking wayyy better with a different coac

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree, Myers has too much potential and will only get better as he matures

  • Jes

    Keep – Goaltending staff, Myers, Hodgson, Girgensons, Scott, Larsson, Ristolainen, Enroth, Hackett, Zadorov, Pysyk and Armia

    Goaltending staff has been unbelievable.

    Myers is good defenseman could very well become a great defenseman.

    Hodgson is our future #2 centerman

    Girgensons will be a force to be reckoned within a couple years.

    Scott, love the guy hope he stays and keeps kicking ass.

    Larsson and Hackett still haven’t proven much but they have good upside and that’s enough for me

    Ristolainen Pysyk and Zadorov along with Myers are the future of quite possibly one of the best defense in the NHL. Man I still look at this past years draft and giving up Nichuskin and drafting Ristolainen still kills me, he is starting to rip it up.

    Armia is highly regarded as a goal scorer and hey we are in desperate need of that.

    Discard – Nolan, Devine, Miller, Stafford, Moulson, Ott, Kaleta, Weber, McBain, Foligno, Ehrhoff, Flynn, Leino and Ennis.

    Nolan is horrible HC so far IMO he’d be a good assistant but he has absolutely made a struggling offense even worse since he came into the picture.

    Devine What the hell is he still doing here lol?

    Miller is as good as gone whether you trade him before trade deadline or not he won’t be in a Sabres uniform after this season. So get what you can for him.

    Moulson left the Sabres organization the minute he was traded here. He was acquired to get future assets and that’s exactly what the new GM will do. Moulson for Ty Rattie would be a great trade.

    Ott is an iffy one for me. I love the guys passion and grit he brings every night but he’s in his 30′s with no cup so he won’t be resigning with a rebuilding franchise so we’ll again have a new captain next year.

    Weber & McBain are garbage get them the hell out of here.

    Foligno like I’ve said before has disappeared off the face of the earth since he was called up that first time in his career and put up huge numbers, since then he’s been a no show.

    Ehrhoff has been brought in mainly for his offense and I have seen little of it. He is one of our best defensemen at a good cap it but with teams look aggressively for a top defensemen I’d see what kind of offer they can put on the table.

    Leino, need I say more.

    Stafford need I say more.

    Ennis I’m kind of on the fence about. May be worth it to see what we can get for him.

    Flynn’s not a keeper lol let’s just put it like that.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      The only one’s I differ on are Enroth (I’m just not sold yet) and Scott, I don’t feel we need him.
      I would love to see our top 4 of Zadorov, Ristolainen, Myers and Pysyk, solid top 4 IMO

    • JHizzle75

      Just to clarify, Jes, you think Myers is doing great under Nolan (as do I ) but you don’t like Nolan??? Please explain. Also, big win for the Phins today! Ha ha ha
      Sorry Bills fans. The offence is the problem that needs to be addressed, and I agree that Nolan is a defensive minded coach, but we don’t even get 2 goals a game on average!!! I think we are playing well offensively, but we have no finish. I don’t blame Nolan for our lack of offence. We have been getting plenty of chances, just not making them count. We need a first line, basically.

      • Jes

        Well technically I want him gone as the head coach. Make him an assistant. Other then that I wouldn’t mind him being here.

      • Jes

        Lol I seen that. Ravens vs Lions tomorrow huge game

    • Vic Soga

      Jes, I agree with you and Caitlin and Kevin on the four young defencemen including Myers and we do have a young corps of 6,7,8 defencemen in Rochester and Brady Austin in London. I would keep Erhoff for experience and to teach Pysyk more.
      For those who are unsure of Enroth, maybe we can trade Miller and an older defenceman for a goalie, forward and a 1st round pick? St. Louis or Chicago? Not Detroit.
      I think I would keep Moulson but I think he will go back to NYI if he does not like the new coach or Nolan.
      Gee McDavid is so good. I am concerned about Reinhart and Ekblad at this year’s draft. Neither a franchise player.

      • Caitlin Campbell

        I have confidence that Ekblad can be a difference maker- Reinhart I haven’t seen enough yet.

      • Jes

        I think Reinhart could be a Staal to your Crosby type player or Pavelski to Cotoure. So he will be a good player. If you can get Reinhart and Ekblad with our two firsts this year (If that happens) then you do it. I haven’t looked to closely to the prospects but another PF like Girgensons would be nice preferably on the other wing. Ekblad is going to be big time man. And other 1st round draft choices we get in this years draft I’d trade for prospects ready to make the jump to the NHL next year. Moulson, Ott and Miller will bring in 3 first rounder’s so we will have nice trade bait. We keep the Isles pick.

    • wolfdoctor

      I totally agree Jes, except I would hold on to Ennis.

      And I also wonder what has happened to Foligno. He has become frightfully slow and terrible with the puck.

  • Dano

    Theres only 3 people I think are actually *earning* their roster spots presently.

    Miller : Hes on his head every game. Does he want to stay or not? Whats the cost? Will he walk July 1? I believe ( like Jes and and some others ) Miller is ‘ done with Buffalo ‘. Give him his chance to score a cup with a contender somewhere.

    Zemgus : For a rookie, hes giving 101% effort and improving. He has seen the spotlight a few times recently. Took a good shot to the head and stayed in the game. Has some toughness to him.

    Hodgson : Im not sold on him and if a *good* offer comes along, send him packing. If not, try and keep him for a second or third line center.

    As ‘ GM ‘ though, I would trade/lobby/steal/do whatever is needed to gain a First Line Centerman. Thats should be the top priority in this rebuild, everything else is out of the picture/on hold till it happens.

    • JHizzle75

      Testify Brother Dano !

      • Dano

        Without a top centerman, theres nothing to Buffalo. Heaven forbid this team kept what they have and gained 2 top ( present ) NHL Centermen!

        Theres no point in anything right now as theres nothing to even baseline the present players with. It all can basically be traded/sold/burned down.

        • JHizzle75

          I agree Dano, but I’ll keep shouting from the mountain tops that we need an entire first line, not just a Center. We have the assets, just need a GM ( or Patty) to grow a set and make it happen. Ott is probably going to be the most asked about come trade deadline, I’m sure…unless a teams #1 goalie has a season ending injury….then Moulson. We should be actively trying to find teams that have a need for these players, and see what we can squeeze out of contenders who need them. I would prefer NHL ready players capable of contributing NOW, as we have a good stock of draft picks.

          • Dano

            My theme right now is to look AWAY from the draft. Buffalo should look for a Top Line ( as you desire ;) ) from whats presently in the league. Drafting doesnt guarantee performance. It gets a team a ‘ prospect ‘ till they hit the ice.

            We can draft all day long but its not proven talent in the *NHL*.

            Ditch the speculation and wondering where we will pick or if theres questions about some development of a player.. Do something solid!

            With whats on the roster and whats in the ‘ prospect bin ‘ and the quantity of picks Buffalo holds, theres NOTHING stopping them from snagging a Top Line Centerman and probably a wing.

            If Buffalo were to snag a Top Line Centerman, and it didnt take Moulson, Ennis or Foligno, can you imagine the Offense this team might start producing on an immediate timeframe?

            Send the message : ” Buffalo is rebuilding NOW, not this coming July “. Its a message that would peek the fans up a bit and encourage the players that are here.

          • wolfdoctor

            Who is going to trade away top line talent?

          • Dano

            Not at all true wolfdoctor.

            Look at SanJose. The reason Im looking/mentioning them in a lot of my messages is next year, they have 3 players, Big Joe, Marleau and Boyle. All making 6+million a season and heading to UFA. They have 1.5million in cap space. They have 2 players in Couture and Pavalski whom they have both signed costing 5 million in raises.

            That puts them at a -3million going into next year with an aging team and no cap space.

            San Jose already has 4 Outstanding centermen and 2 in the pipes. They need to do something.

            Along walks Buffalo with Prospects, Picks, CAP RELIEF..

            Dreaming you say? Even if the cap goes up to 70 million ( as some have speculated ) They are still in a bind as Wiggles and Demers is hit that RFA after this year. What about the next 2 years for them? Can they resign anyone? What moves will they make then considering Buffalo is the wealthy guy knocking on their door *right now*.

            How is it, The Rangers can snag top line talent year after year or Philly can snag top line talent without going through the draft? Richards ( Brad ), Marion Gaborik, Vinney! Kunits was drafter by the Ducks, hes in PIT right now. Patrick Sharp is in Chicago, drafted by Philly.. Yadda yadda.. Carter and Richards ( Mike ) are both on the Kings..

            A LOT of teams have gone on spending sprees to try and just buy that 1 player to make a difference. Now? They are in some economic troubles. Buffalo will have 20million ( or more ) at the end of the season. I believe they will have close to 30 million available ( after trades/sales ). They can buy ANYONE with that kind of money.

            Other teams KNOW this and might want to deal with Buffalo NOW in regards to their RFA’s or contracts they already have.

            Buffalo has nothing to loose ( already in the bottom 3 teams ), a deep pocket and is a BUYER on the market for top end players. Just because its called a ‘ firesale ‘ doesnt mean Buffalo isnt looking to buy/attain something in the process.

            So Buffalo calls up SanJose. ‘ Hey guys! I know you might have some cap issues next year so.. were looking to help. We would like to know if -X- is available and we have some pieces you might want. Moulson, the Islanders first round pick, 3 or 4 second rounders, a pretty stocked checking account if you might want us to help with a bad contract of yours to make room for next year.. ‘.

            The Door is WIDE OPEN.

            If you REALLY believe that : “The ONLY way the team will get a great top line is through the draft.”, I feel your sadly mistaken.

          • wolfdoctor

            Big Joe, Marleau and Boyle – Are you suggesting the Sabres rebuild with 3 players older than 34 ?

            “How is it, The Rangers can snag top line talent year after year or Philly can snag top line talent without going through the draft?”

            They pick up older players, as well, and how many cups have they won with that strategy?

            I thought we were talking about rebuilding. I think you are talking about an instant return to respectability rather than rebuilding. Sure we can probably overpay for a bunch of aging stars and maybe squeeze into the playoffs and promptly lose in the first round. Is that what you want or do you want a genuine shot at the cup?

          • Dano

            “Big Joe, Marleau and Boyle – Are you suggesting the Sabres rebuild with 3 players older than 34 ?”

            NO NO NO!!!! NOT AT ALL!!!

            What I stated was SANJOSE needs to resign those guys, NOT Buffalo!

            “I thought we were talking about rebuilding. I think you are talking about an instant return to respectability rather than rebuilding. Sure we can probably overpay for a bunch of aging stars and maybe squeeze into the playoffs and promptly lose in the first round. ”

            Is Malkin an ‘ aging ‘ player? Couture?

            You absolutely missed everything I stated/stipulated. Please, re-read what was said.

            “Is that what you want or do you want a genuine shot at the cup?”

            The draft alone wont do it. You believe its the ONLY way to ‘ rebuild ‘. Theres MANY options out there and it takes using ALL OF THEM to have a shot at the cup.

          • wolfdoctor

            I think the flaw in your logic is that you believe San Jose would rather keep aging stars who will be retired within a couple of years, while trading away their young stars for prospects and picks. Highly doubtful.

          • Dano

            “Actually, you didn’t say this.”

            I most certainly did. Lemme snag the text for ya :

            “they have 3 players, Big Joe, Marleau and Boyle. All making 6+million a season and heading to UFA.”

            “THEY HAVE 3 PLAYERS”! Key word being ‘ They ‘ or ‘ THEY ‘. I in no way stated I would want ANY of those 3. I didnt state WHOM I exactly wanted from their team. Your not reading/understanding what was stated.

            Its an ‘ open book ‘ out there. Not a closed door.narrow perspective of ‘ ONLY the draft ‘ setting.

            “Anyway, I think the flaw in your logic is that you believe San Jose would rather keep aging stars who will be retired within a couple of years, while trading away their young stars for prospects and picks. Highly doubtful.”

            No, theres no flaws. Again, your not seeing what Im stating.

            Look, it doesnt matter if its SanJose, Pittsburg, the Charlestown Chiefs.. ANY team can be dealt with and players can be acquired. Its happened for many years in the NHL. Call it ‘ highly doubtful ‘ but its already happened and will again. EVERYTHING is for sale if the price is right.

            I understand you want me to believe ( as you do, and have stated ) that the ONLY way to rebuild is through the draft. Edmonton has been going that route for the last.. 5 years is it? They are still last in their division. No progress, just a new list of changed names that still cant win.

            If you think ticketholders are going to go through 5 more years of the shit thats on the ice right now and wait because Buffalo can ‘ ONLY rebuild through the draft ‘.. Thats very brutal and I will bluntly state I wont be the only ticketholder of many years to tell Pegula where to go find new revenues from!

            We will have to agree on disagreeing but when the New GM starts shopping and doesnt use ‘ ONLY the draft ‘ to rebuild, dont be shocked. I wont. ;)

          • wolfdoctor

            “heading to UFA”

            Sure doesn’t sound like you meant San Jose wants to keep them. And you said absolutely nothing about San Jose “needs to resign those guys.” Maybe you should reread your own post.

          • Dano

            “Sure doesn’t sound like you meant San Jose wants to keep them.”

            I questioned nothing of whom SJ wishes to keep. I implied what I stated. THEY have THOSE players. Its within their means to make a decision in regards to them. You, me , Santa.. NONE of us could know what SJ’s intentions are. As a GM, I would review their options with them ( what they have on the table ) as to acknowledge before them that I know what their situation is, then start the bargaining.

            I hope that divulges clarity for you. If not, I dont know any other way to try and explain it without making us both look bad which is something I really dont care to do.

            Theres MORE WAYS and not ‘ ONLY the draft ‘ towards gaining top line talent.

            I have no need to re-read my own post as I know what was stated after having quoted and explained it to you. I understand what possessive terms are thus, I used them.

            We will have to agree on disagreeing and see where things go with either LalalaPatty acting as GM or if he finds someone. ;) They will make the decisions based on all the approaches available to them if they wish to succeed.

          • wolfdoctor

            I’m not going to argue. I’ve read your post over and over and it just seems like a lot of random, disjoint thoughts. Perhaps you could give examples of what you would do if you were GM, like qwicwted did.

          • Dano

            “I’m not going to argue. I’ve read your post over and over and it just seems like a lot of random, disjoint thoughts.”

            Your are 100% correct. They are ( somewhat ) disjointed thoughts. Its not just sell everything and go drafting/dreaming. Its a conglomeration of several approaches that will all ( eventually ) effect upon one another when all those thoughts/transactions hit the ice together.

            “Perhaps you could give examples of what you would do if you were GM, like qwicwted did.”

            I did. I mentioned how I would approach SanJose to try and acquire one of their centermen.

            No foul at all. We all want the same thing in the end, a better team then whats on the ice presently. ;) Thats all that matters.

          • wolfdoctor

            “I did. I mentioned how I would approach SanJose to try and acquire one of their centermen.”

            For what?

          • Dano

            “For what?”

            Seriously?

            “So Buffalo calls up SanJose. ‘ Hey guys! I know you might have some cap issues next year so.. were looking to help. We would like to know if -X- is available and we have some pieces you might want. Moulson, the Islanders first round pick, 3 or 4 second rounders, a pretty stocked checking account if you might want us to help with a bad contract of yours to make room for next year.. ‘.”

            -Moulson

            -Islanders First Round Pick..

            -3 or 4 second round picks..

            -Cap relief taking on a bad contract..

            -Pieces they might want ( IE: Players/Prospects )

            ITS ALL RIGHT THERE!

            Funny thing, You mentioned Qwictwted’s message and its not much different then that of my own. We are both looking to pry a Centerman from SJ. He mentioned players only, I expanded on what would be offered.

          • wolfdoctor

            Hats off to qwicwted for being specific.

            I think you’re saying, the Islander’s first, the Sabres’ 3 seconds, Moulson and contract relief for Couture? Is this correct?

          • qwicwted

            Living the in Bay Area, i don’t see SJ moving Couture – he is the team’s future. Also Thornton, Boyle and Marleau have expressed their desire to resign with the Sharks giving them the Home Town Discount – so I guess if SJ doesn’t want any of them, then they are available to the highest bidder. I just am looking at players we can trade for and teams that need to make some moves right now – thing is….as I said the more time we take in hiring a GM, we might lose certain opportunities. First things first – Patty needs to make a move!

          • Dano

            “Hats off to qwicwted for being specific.”

            Hes specific in his initial offers but as he later stated.. “IMO Leino is a playmaker and I think both players can bring something to the table for both teams, but the pie could be sweetened with a draft pick.”

            Qwic is leaving other options open just as I did. I believe he might have negotiated for things on several occasions in his life ( could be wrong ).

            “I think you’re saying, the Islander’s first, the Sabres’ 3 seconds, Moulson and contract relief for Couture? Is this correct?”

            Nope.

            I stated what was *available*, not what a ‘ total package ‘ or ‘ final sale ‘ would be. None of us can determine what the GM of SanJose would want or demand so I would put out a list of ‘ whats available ‘ to draw interest.

            If other teams hear your shopping assets, word gets around and people might come to you instead of you doing all the legwork.

            As CC stated when she started this article: ” For today’s poll we’re going to ask y’all to put on your GM cap and play the role of the Buffalo Sabres GM ”

            Something you have to do as a GM would be to establish what your bringing to the table to a crowd ( Other GM’s/Owners ). Its almost like an auction. You have things that you are making available ( The list I offered ).

            I dont feel theres any lack of clarity in what was stated.

            “Hats off to qwicwted for being specific.”

            Hats off to him for knowing not ‘ ONLY the draft ‘ being the approach to gaining top line talents and draft picks can be used to help the process along. ;)

          • wolfdoctor

            We shall see. I just can’t see any team getting rid of young stars in order to keep old stars.

          • qwicwted

            Dano, I brought up San Jose also – right now they need to do something because they are losing ground in the west. Yes, next year they have Thornton, Marleau and Boyle to sign and all three will be offering a “home town” discount because they love the area. So, my thinking is this…. trade Ennis/Moulson for Pavelski – Ennis and Moulson give the Sharks speed and scoring and I’m sure both would resign with the Sharks. Pavelski on the other hand doesn’t have a NMC and would give us – consistency, leadership, skill and best of all – another 6 years on his contract.

            Knowing San Jose would like to unload Havlat – why not trade Leino for Havlet – both players have been bit by the injury bug since going to their respective teams and a change of scenery might just be a good thing for both. Havlat does know how to score and you get him for a couple of years – not a bad guy to mentor our youth.

            Rumor has it that there is a chance Richards might be bought out at the end of the year – if so, why not trade Grigorenko for him. Seems like Buffalo isn’t too keen on Grigorenko’s work ethic – so again, why not lock someone up that can mentor and lead our kids.

            Then I would trade Erhoff or Meyers – maybe try to do something with Winnipeg for Kane.

            My point is, I don’t see us signing UFA’s, but I think we can lasso some quality players with some shrewd trades. First thing though……Patty has to decide whether he is going to be the GM or hire somebody to do the job – its been over a month and it appears he is like a deer in the headlights right now as he is just doing “exploratory talks”. Thing is, while some windows are opening up – other windows are being closed. Its time to do something.

          • Dano

            “Yes, next year they have Thornton, Marleau and Boyle to sign and all three will be offering a “home town” discount because they love the area.”

            Im going to surrender such to you as ( being honest ) I’ve heard nothing in regards to anything of their contract negotiations with SanJose. Not my team, not much concern endless I was interested in any one of them ( not interested in any of them at all ;) ).

            “trade Ennis/Moulson for Pavelski – Ennis and Moulson give the Sharks speed and scoring and I’m sure both would resign with the Sharks. Pavelski on the other hand doesn’t have a NMC and would give us – consistency, leadership, skill and best of all – another 6 years on his contract.”

            Jes mentioned Pavelski. I like Couture moreso but Pavelski would work for me.

            In my other post with Wolfdoctor, I left the idea of picking and choosing from the present roster Buffalo has. It would sweeten the deal for Sanjose, let them believe to be in charge of the negotiations. Ennis, Moulson, Myers.. doesnt matter, they are all available in my book, which is open for business ;).

            “Knowing San Jose would like to unload Havlat – why not trade Leino for Havlet ”

            I know Havlet would be a fine mentor for our youth but offering then Leino.. Thats like slapping their mothers at their own dinner tables.. in their own homes.. *IF* I were to offer Leino to ANY team ( except Boston ;) ) I would offer to eat some of his cap/contract cost. No need to rub people wrong.

            ( Brad ) Richards for Grigorenko? Man.. Lot of money on that contract but Patty needs to hire you, TODAY! Mancrush is starting! CC is going to hate you! :)

            “My point is, I don’t see us signing UFA’s, but I think we can lasso some quality players with some shrewd trades.”

            I 150% agree.

            If there is not a movement clause, Buffalo should take a look at them.

            Something ( I dont know if you did the math ).. *IF* your speaking of Brad Richards ( not Mike ) Pavelski, Havlet.. They would all fit under the cap with the trades you mentioned. Richards drops down to 1million in 3 years for his last 2 or 3. Havlet is only 1 year and as you stated, Pavelski is a long term Centerman.

            “Then I would trade Erhoff or Meyers – maybe try to do something with Winnipeg for Kane.”

            I think WIN would like Myers. Do they really want to trade Kane though? Might have to give more then ‘ a ‘ ( singular ) roster player IMO. Toss in Larsson or Porter or some prospect player.

            Pavelski, Richards, Havlet, E.Kane, Zemgus ( in developement ) and Foligno.. Thats not a bad top6 at all IMO.

            I like a lot of your thoughts as they are ‘ open ended ‘ in regards to using what Buffalo has presently to go after what they need. You fully understand everything is for sale if the price is right, even top line talent. I think were on the same wavelength/thoughts.

            What could make what your saying come to fruition even more so is theres prospects in the system and a boatload of second/third/fourth picks that could be tossed in to further ‘ bribe ‘ SJ/WIN/NYR in the process if need be.

          • qwicwted

            Eberle is not a bad move, but I don’t see Edmonton giving him up – maybe they would give up Yakupov, but there again I think you get into headache country a la Grigorenko. My thought is, Kane hates being in Winnipeg but he’s got a 5 year deal – perhaps offer them Adam and Ehrhoff or Myers.

            While you may think trading Leino for Havlet might be insulting to San Jose, I don’t think so – IMO Leino is a playmaker and I think both players can bring something to the table for both teams, but the pie could be sweetened with a draft pick. I don’t see SJ letting Couture go because he is the core of their future, but I can see them doing something with Pavelski.

            Anyway, there are ways the Sabres can improve, Patty just needs to hire someone to make the deals.

          • JHizzle75

            I like your ideas regarding Pavelski and Richards. I would add Hemsky also, I think we could get him from the Oil for a good price…maybe Moulson???
            I disagree about Ehrhoff and Myers, we will need Ehrhoff when we make Myers a forward. ;)
            I would like this team to improve sooner rather than later. These ideas of losing for a year and a half on the small chance we could get McDavid are disgusting. I don’t even live in Buffalo, but I think the fans deserve better.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I agree that the Sabres need to trade for some top talent, but next season (not exactly this season) they have to take a shot at McDavid. He is the type of guy that you can build a franchice around and would keep the Sabres set for a long while. Where would the Penguins and Capitals have been if they didn’t draft Crosby and Ovechkin? Or the Hawks if they didn’t draft Toews or Kane

          • Dano

            “I agree that the Sabres need to trade for some top talent”

            Pick anyone in the league, they CAN be bought. Might be a high price, but the could be attained.

            ” They have to take a shot at McDavid… ”

            Think about what you stated and I quoted.

            IF Buffalo has to take a shot at him, how many other teams need to as well? EVERY team wants him. Buffalo is sitting in the toilet ( not on it ;) ), has a boatload of picks..

            What would teams be willing to Sacrifice to have a ‘ shot ‘ at McDavid? Maybe their first round pick AND a Top Line Centerman/Forward?

            ” Where would the Penguins and Capitals have been if they didn’t draft Crosby and Ovechkin? Or the Hawks if they didn’t draft Toews or Kane”

            Im not a Seer, couldnt tell you ( being honest ). If those players didnt exist, others would have.

            *IF* Buffalo did snag McDavid, whats to say he would stay here after his entry level contract? What about ANY of the talent coming out of the draft?

            Its like leasing a car before you really buy it, something I used to like doing. ;)

            My whole point is, you cannot use ‘ ONLY the draft ‘ to rebuild a team. Talent from outside being UFA’s need to come in. Folks from PTO’s need to be looked at. Trading away people whom were drafted to purchase the missing pieces needed/fill the holes in.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            Even a player that you buy at a high cost might not stick with the Sabres once their contract is done- there is no guarantee in the game. If I’m the GM I’m not giving up my chance at McDavid for much unless the Sabres don’t land the 1st pick, then it might be worth it to toy with someother teams and give them a shot.
            I agree with your point about not using only the draft, there is lots of talent out there in the league

          • Dano

            ” Even a player that you buy at a high cost might not stick with the Sabres once their contract is done- there is no guarantee in the game. ”

            Quite correct. It sounds horrible to say, but I would use those players as ‘ instruments of learning ‘ for the younger players moreso then ‘ people to win games ‘. ‘ Teachers ‘ so to say.

            Buffalo has NONE.

            “If I’m the GM I’m not giving up my chance at McDavid for much unless.. ”

            What chance for McDavid? Theres 30 first round picks all looking at one or 2 guys. Theres No guarantee at all.

            The ‘ tank for first pick ‘ was ended with the lottery. Sure, its weighted for the ‘ lesser ‘ team, but theres still the chance not to pick first overall.

            If Buffalo has the opportunity/tabled offer to land that top line player under good terms, should that NOT be weighed against the lottery and hoping McDavid will be available?

            You mentioned : “I agree with your point about not using only the draft, there is lots of talent out there in the league “. Your quite correct. There IS a lot of talent out there. Why not go after some of it? :D