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Poll: What Do You Think of Advanced Hockey Stats?

When you look at most hockey blogs you are bombarded with words like corsi, offencive zone starts, fenwick and PDO and no it’s not a foreign language, technically. What are these strange words you may ask? Well, quite simply these words are different forms of advanced hockey stats used to evaluate players and teams.

At some point in time, someone decided that the normal stats weren’t doing a good enough job evaluating a players value to their team

and decided more in-depth stats were needed. Here’s a look at the Buffalo Sabres advanced stats this season. Scroll down and take a look at the corse for and fenwick for, those are two of the most basic advanced stats and relate to all the pucks a player sends towards the net.

Who is leading the Buffalo Sabres in corse for? Drew Stafford, yet he has just 2 goals and is a -8 this season. Where as Cody Hodgson, the Sabres leading scorer sits 3rd in Corsi. Guess who invented Corsi- none other than Buffalo Sabres goaltending coach Jim Corsi!

Another stat which can be useful is the penalties drawn and penalties taken. Steve Ott has taken 15 penalties but leads the team having drawn 16 penalties. Where as Tyler Myers has taken 18 penalties but only drawn 10.

Amongst players who have played at least 10 games this season, Mike Weber leads the Sabres with offencive zone starts. That means Weber starts the majority of his shifts in the oppositions zone as opposed to his defencive zone.

Anyways, click the link and check out the Buffalo Sabres stats for yourself and determine who the most valuable Sabres players are. If you’re looking  for an introduction to advanced hockey stats check out this site which breaks it down for y’all. While advanced hockey stats are big for blogs, most main stream media and most NHL clubs don’t put much stock into the advanced stats.

While you can pull out a lot of interesting facts and make some interesting conclusion’s, I’m not a huge fan of advanced stats. I prefer the stats of goals, points and wins. What does it matter if you have one of the best corsi rates and you miss the playoffs?

But enough about my preferences, how do you feel about advanced hockey stats? Do you look at them? Do you value them? Vote in the poll and then tell us in the comments which stats you most prefer!

What Do you Think of Advanced Stats?

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  • Caitlin Campbell

    You know where my vote stands- I’m old school when it comes to stats. Give me goals- points and Wins

    • Dano

      I get into the advanced stats only because I like seeing how so many of them are WRONG in their perception.

      I like 2way players. The +/- stat means a lot to me. I also know that a player can have a +47 stat ( like Vanek did ) and not play a lick of defense at all. They just had 4 others on the ice playing solid D for them and a solid Goalie taking up the slack! ;)

      What I usually do is take their +/- stat, divide it by 2 ( Either they are playing defense or they are not/Others are playing defense or others are not , 2 choices, thus the division of 2 (Player/others) ). It can go further by dividing the number of games played into the equation to find out an average over each game.

      • Caitlin Campbell

        Ah how could I forget the old +/- I like the plus minus stat but like you said you also have to take it with a grain of salt

        • Dano

          The only real way to gauge a player is to watch them over a period of 10+ games. They might be the only one giving full effort, playing both ways on the ice.. Only to have a pair of defensemen and a soft goalie behind them. Ya never know.

          Thats why I like Zemgus. ( we should call him ‘ Gus ‘ ). Hes giving full effort, he positions well, he can move the puck and doesnt turn it over, he has good vision and a bit above average hands.

          Hes a -1 over 32 games and only a deuce in the PIM’s column. Hes playing VERY smart hockey!

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  • Joe

    I think the advanced stats r very misleading like in staffords case. Idc if he has the least shots on the team if he leads in goals thats all that matters. I think advanced stats take away from truly evaluating players aimply by wat ubsee with ur own 2 eyes. For example stats cant tell u how hard a players work ethic is or how well a forward plays two way hockey or wat kind of heart they bring to the table. Those r just a few things that come tl mind. In terms lf advanced stats there are some that do help but there r some useful ones they could add like one on one battles along the boards lost and things like that that actualy matter. Who cares how mamy shots a player has on net if u never score it doesnt matter

    • Caitlin Campbell

      exactly there are so many things you don’t get from stats that you have to see with your own eyes.

  • Dano

    Something to consider with all the ‘ advanced stats ‘.

    Plagiarism, gotta love it!

    As it stands today, twenty-five players with birth dates ranging from 1993 – 1995 have logged at least 200:00 of even-strength ice-time, and even in that number, a couple of the guys who qualified for the quick search (e.g. Rasmus Ristolainen) have already been moved away.

    So, the average Corsi% for these kids is about 48.4% — and again, these are largely the face-of-the-franchise types that have looked good enough to their respective coaching staffs to stick around. It’s true that a lot of these kids are playing on crappier teams (around 49% Corsi clubs, or thereabouts), but there’s not a lot of evidence to support that the majority of them are helping things any.

    It’s funny, too, that if you play devil’s advocate with the top-bunch that look like world-beaters in their young years, you can work some of the luster off rather quickly. Mika Zibanejad’s the most impressive of the lot (and his WOWYs show a lot of the Swede carrying his linemates), but he’s also one of the oldest of the group, and has far more relative experience under his belt. Tomas Hertl’s played a ton of minutes alongside noted demigod Joe Thornton — in the few minutes that Hertl hasn’t played on Thornton’s wing (about one game full of EV TOI), he’s posted 46% Corsi. Zemgus Girgensons is also in the older-half (turns twenty next month), and enjoys Christian Ehrhoff on about 34% of his EV shifts. Dougie Hamilton? He’s been paired with one Zdeno Chara for half of the season.

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