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Mikhail Grigorenko Refusing To Report To Quebec


It appears that the Mikhail Grigorenko saga is taking another turn for the worst for the Buffalo Sabres organization.

 

Grigorenko was informed of the decision to send the 19 year old prospect back down to the QMJHL and was not at all happy about the Buffalo Sabres decision to demote him.

Obviously Grigorenko is tired of the games by the Buffalo Sabres and has gone quiet while he and his agent have the chance to discuss things with the team.

Ted Nolan and Pat Lafontaine have hinted as the World Junior Tournament wound down that a tough decision would have to be made – however the best decision might be to send him back to the juniors.

The Buffalo Sabres burned the first year of Grigorenko’s entry level contract by sending him back down to the Quebec Remparts, and are likely going to burn the second year of his three year contract as well.

Interim head coach Ted Nolan understands the young players want to stay in the NHL – as all players strive for that goal.  What happens next might be the determining factor in what happens with Grigorenko’s future.

If Grigorenko is truly unhappy and can’t convince the organization to not send him to the QMJHL – then he could bolt back to Russia and play in the KHL.  He could also ask the team to buy him out of his entry level deal and ask they allow him to become an unrestricted free agent this year.

Grigorenko is currently under contract through the 2015-2016 regular season.

It’s a tough call for the Buffalo Sabres organization – who need to take a tough stand with Grigorenko.  He hasn’t proven himself at the NHL level – but they are not going to let their 2012 first round selection walk away from the organization with nothing.

I anticipate this turning South for the Sabres – and turning East for Grigorenko – as in East to the KHL.

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  • Jes

    Time to call his old coach Patrick about the availability of ROR and see if they can make a swap with other pieces involved of course.
    It’s either trade him or buy him out.

    • Timothy Redinger

      I don’t think the Sabres buy this one out. As a first rounder – I think they will definitely want something in return.

    • http://SabreNoise.com/ Richard Spalding

      Sop mentioning The Factor – it’s cruel. :) The best shot the Sabres had at getting ROR was last season, when Colorado let him sit in the KHL. The way he and the Avs are playing right now, he ain’t going nowhere, dammit. :(

      • Dano

        Hes going to RFA at the end of this season. Some offer sheets will hit. ;)

      • Jes

        Especially with how negotiations went south last year I see him wanting out of Colorado. Also with Mackinnon looking like he could just take the 2nd line center spot next season, probably make him want to leave also. Playing time and money is huge to a young player. I wouldn’t sign him to an offer sheet however. Grigorenko + a defenseman we could probably get him throw in a 2nd rounder if we have to.

  • Jes

    Nolan’s a tool. These rookies deserve a shot more then Leino and Stafford.

    • Timothy Redinger

      Nolan’s a tool? How so? Before the loss to the Hurricanes we were what 5-0-1 at home in the last six?

      • Jes

        Have you seen the level of our competition since Nolan has come in vs the level when Rolston was here? If not go take a look. It is a huge reason why he has a better record then Rolston HUGE.

        • http://SabreNoise.com/ Richard Spalding

          It’s a reason . . . but Rolston was in so far over his head. Benching Moulson was the absolute worst decision I have seen a coach make, oh, ever.

          • Jes

            It’s not just a reason it’s a fact. If we were playing same competition as Rolston did with Nolan we would maybe only have 1-2 more wins then Rolston had. Add a few shutouts against also.

            Benching Moulson was a pretty bad decision. But giving Stafford and Leino more time then Grigorenko is a pretty awful idea too. What have they done to deserve any time? They should be the ones getting sent down not Larsson and Grigorenko.

            Quick question, why was McNabb sent down yesterday and today he got called up? The guy deserves to be in the NHL on a regular basis. Already he’s better then Weber.

  • Thomas Eric

    Darcy screwed the pooch on this one but in all fairness he deserves a shot on the top two lines with skilled and talented line mates not john Scott this kid can play if u give him the opportunity

    • Dano

      What has he done to prove he deserves a top 3 shot?

      • Thomas Eric

        He has the skill and talent to be a second or first line center in this league yet we haven’t seen it because he’s been buried on third and fourth lines with guys who have no talent you saw what hendid when Russia gave him good line mates

        • Dano

          I saw what he can do with his fellow Russians playing in a *russian* type of system playing their style of game.

          You can state that Grigorenko has been buried on a line with ‘ No talent ‘. *I* sure wish I had the skills of Flynn, McCormic, Larsson or even the Pugalistic skills of Scott. Hell, I ( and probably many others, even those whom dont ever agree with me.. ) would LOVE to have had the chance to play in the NHL. No Talent? Pretty bad selection of an adjective my friend.

          Is YOUR proposal to just insert Grigorenko into Buffalos first line and move someone else down? If so, How do you as a coach or manager justify that to Moulson, Hodgson, Ennis or Girgenson? Guys whom have all earned their spots on the roster..

          Im starting to get the impression the reason we havent seen much of Grigorenko is because of his attitude ( on top of poor management decisions ).

          • Thomas Eric

            He deserves a shot to show wat he can do he was never given the opportunity

          • Dano

            Again Ill ask, what has he done to prove he deserves a top 3 shot? How do any of us deserve anything without proving ourselves?

          • Thomas Eric

            My question to you is has he been given a fair shot to prove him self?

          • Dano

            Ill answer YOUR question seeing as you havent the courtesy to answer mine, twice..

            Yes he has. He was drafted. He was hired by an employer to do as expected. If you told your boss ‘ I can do a better job then what your asking, demote the foreman and give it to me ‘ would he HAVE to listen? Should he be FORCED to listen? Should he even take you seriously when you havent proven anything?

            Instead, this kid gave the boss the finger and said ‘ Im not going back to juniors ‘. A brand new GM, not someone whom might have wronged him in the past.

            Doing something like that and the kid should have a ‘ chance ‘ at anything? Even a consideration?

            He was given a chance to ‘ prove himself ‘ by *following what was asked of him*. He might not like it but its a job, he was hired and had the chance to achieve more then many whom never even made the draft at all. He gave the new GM the bird. Do you think other Franchises arent looking at that and wondering what to expect of this kid?

            Hes not ‘ unproven ‘, hes looking like a cancer.

            Which comes back to the question I have asked of you TWICE, this will be the third time :

            “What has he done to prove he deserves a top 3 shot?”

            He might have been a ‘ teachers pet ‘ to Regier, but hes not around anymore.

  • wolfdoctor

    It’s hard to believe that Konopka, D’Agostini, Ellis, Leino, Scott, McCormick and Porter are all better than Grigorenko.

    • Kevin

      Truly my thought exactly. Also, I don’t blame the kid for bieng pissed. Wouldn’t you be pissed if you were mismanaged thru 2 coaches and one idiot GM. Now he feels like the now he feels like the rubberband is being stretched another way. He needs to play, and he needs to play with the Sabres. You mean to tell me he’s worse that Flynn? get real. Get off the band wagon and give this kid a chance Buffalo. C’mon Nolan get with it.

      • Jes

        Well said Kev.

    • Jes

      You Can add Flynn and Stafford to that list also.

      I voted thumbs down on your reply because you said it’s hard to believe that the following players are better then Grigorenko. Which they aren’t. Just Nolan and his stupid head games with the rookies. Ahhhh well he will light it wherever he goes next. Hopefully it’s a division rival and Nolan and the rest of the Sabres organization can eat goal after goal by him.

      • wolfdoctor

        My sarcasm is sometimes difficult to detect.

  • DrewL

    Any chance the Sabres might try to deal Grigorenko to another NHL club? At this point, they would be foolish to let him go to the KHL if another NHL team may be willing to pony up a prospect and/or a draft pick for him. With the success the Stars have had this season with 18 year old rookie Valeri Nichushkin, and with GM Jim Nill’s long-time ties to Russia’s hockey system, I wonder if Dallas might look to swing a deal. Depends on their roster situation as well as the upside they see in getting Grigorenko’s game turned in the right direction.

    • Jes

      Like the idea. What would be coming back?
      Maybe even Edmonton would be interested. The whole connection with Yakupov would do some good for them. Throw in a 2nd, Ehrhoff and Weber as well and get us there 1st and Hemsky?

      • JHizzle75

        I agree that Ehrhoff for Hemsky would be a good trade, straight up.
        If I understand you correctly you would be offering Grigo, Weber and a 2nd rounder for the Oil’s first rounder? If you agree Ehrhoff for Hemsky would be a good trade, that is. Take Weber out of the deal and I’m on board, Jes.

        • Jes

          Ehrhoff for Hemsky? We’d be giving up way to much for him in that trade. My trade was…

          To Oilers
          A Weber or McBain type
          Ehrhoff
          Grigorenko
          2nd Rounder

          To Buffalo
          Hemsky
          1st Rounder

          Why not Weber? He’s one of the worst in the league IMO.

          Might have to throw in McNabb just because of Ekblad.

          • Kevin

            C’mon man how about Tallinder and Mcbain

          • JHizzle75

            I stated my opinion on Weber on an earlier board. I talked about his grit and toughness and how he’s our only D man like that.
            That’s why I wouldn’t put Weber in that particular deal. I think we would be giving up too much for Hemsky and a 1st rounder.
            Remember we still have to meet the cap floor next year, we can’t dress a team filled with guys on entry level contracts and achieve that goal. Have to hang on to a few veterans.

          • Jes

            That package is to much for Hemsky and a 1st rounder that could end up being a first overall pick? Weber ain’t that good bud. One of the worst defensemen in the league. He plays with grit but McNabb is ready for full time gig and plays with just as much grit as he does so ya no need for him.

          • JHizzle75

            I see your point. My point though, is I wouldn’t put Weber in a package deal like that. I think we could trade him to a playoff bound team that needs to toughen up and get a good return. His +- isn’t much different than Otts, and I’m sure everyone agrees Ott would fetch a good return.

          • Jes

            Ott plays a totally different game then Weber JHizzy. There +/- is in afterthought. You’ll get nowhere close to what you’ll get for Ott for Weber.

          • JHizzle75

            No, you’re right. I wasn’t saying they would get the same return, just that they would both get a good return. Ott would obviously get more, I’m just saying Weber would be a good addition to a playoff bound team looking to toughen up.

  • Ron Cianciosi

    He has done nothing when playing for the Sabres.

    • JHizzle75

      I think the problem is that he has done nothing right, either. I’m sure he has potential, but from what I saw of him he seemed slow and disinterested. Leads me to believe he’s not playing because of some sort of attitude problem.
      Maybe he expects to have things handed to him, I don’t know, just a theory.

      Sorry, Ron. Thought it read ” he has done nothing wrong” lol .
      I still stand by my comment.

    • Jes

      Nathan Mackinnon would do nothing for the Sabres to if all he did was get a line of Tropp and Scott and McCormick.

  • Dano

    Trade him. Ask him what teams he would like to go to and try and get a deal going.

    • JHizzle75

      What could we get for him, though?
      He wasn’t exactly showcased in his time with Buffalo, playing on the 4th line and all. From what I saw he seemed slow, and any team that would want him would have to be basing their opinion on his time in the Juniors. If teams were to watch tape of the games he played for the Sabres we wouldn’t get much in return.

      • Dano

        “What could we get for him, though?”

        Dunno. Im not privy to whom all is ‘ available ‘. I would imagine a package for E.Kane might be a reality.

        A lot of people believe Grigorenko wasnt given a fair shake. Murray wasnt in the picture at the time. Hes the new GM with a problem to deal with. Time to pick up the phone and take whatever is available.

        A LOT of the people posting here would want draft picks and prospects and not a solid roster player. With the way the Oilers are playing, those posters do NOT want the Sabres winning, Draft Dreaming and all, cant endanger that.

        In the bigger scheme of things, this situation shows a problem of the past ( Buffalos total lack of a development system ) and sets a bad view of what to be expected if Drafted by Buffalo. Will all those lovely ‘ #1 draft dreaming picks ‘ want to stay around a franchise with the ‘ Grigorenko Syndrome ‘?

        Thus why an immediate resolve needs to happen. Toll the contract, shop the kid, take what you can and move on. Its time to start a rebuild, not stagnate in dealing with problems from the past.

      • Kevin

        True, they wouldn’t see much. But, his problem isn’t his talent, it’s his foundation and confidence. All he ever heard in Buffalo are negatives and where can we stash him for now. How the hell can the kid grow from from that? Most kids come into the bigs a little fragile and wide eyed to begin with, then to get torn down and treated the way MG has been, I’m surprised he didn’t show his anger before now. He needs stability and confidence from management that they do believe in him.

        • JHizzle75

          You say it’s a confidence issue, I say it’s his attitude and work ethic. Either way I’m sure there is a good reason he is in this situation.

          • Kevin

            I get your point, I just feel it may be goals screwed up. First DR tells him one thing, then Ruff tells him another, then Rolston, tells him another. Then, then…… I’m confused writing it. He may be the kind of young kid that need strong wingers. He may need a few years for the game to slow down for him. But, first he needs the confidence of management. And from what Nolan said, he didn’t give Griggs any confidence at all. What a shame.

          • Dano

            Confidence, attitude, work ethic, wasnt given a chance.. None of it really matters as Grigorenko is refusing to report to Juniors. Time to end the drama and wish him the best.. elsewhere.

            New GM, New page in the book, time to drop problems of the past and move forward. If the kid is kept in Buffalo, he will be seen as running the team, not Murray.

  • Vic Soga

    I wonder if GM Murray had a say in the move to Junior and will he have a say now where he goes?

    • Jes

      Of course he’s got a say in where he goes next. It’s either trade him or buy him out and that’s GM’s job.

      • Vic Soga

        Murray is hired to draft and be a puppet for Nolan, Lafontaine and Patrick!. Pencil pusher to sign draftees.

        • JHizzle75

          That’s a bold statement

          • Vic Soga

            Or I forgot puppet for Mr. Pegula. Why do you think they just hired Patrick. I feel sorry for Murray. Nolan did it to Muckler.

          • Jes

            I hope you are wrong Vic. Nolan doesn’t seem like the best judge of talent. Probably turn this team into NHL journeymen.

          • Vic Soga

            Sorry Jes and JHizzle75 but do you really think Murray can trade Miller without Lafontaine and Mr. Pegula’s approval. Lafontaine will run to Patrick and Nolan for their approval.

          • Jes

            Doesn’t the GM always has to check with the President and Owner before he makes a trade?

          • Vic Soga

            Jes, I don’t think Regier got any approval from Black and got his blessing from Mr. Pegula when he traded Vanek, Regehr, Sekera, Pominville and Leopold

          • Jes

            I’m pretty sure with a player of Vanek’s caliber he had to get permission. How do you know he didn’t have to get permission?

          • Vic Soga

            Maybe he didn’t get permission on the Vanek trade and Roulston hire and that is why he was fired??? Regier did his own thing after being here for so many years.

          • Jes

            If you say so man. You can’t just say shit like that when you do not even know what goes on behind the scenes. It’s like your trying to be Bob Mackenzie. Who’s your source on this info that your throwing out here?

            I’m 100% sure Darcy had to get a sign off by Black to get this shit done.

          • Vic Soga

            Then why isn’t Black fired. Hey Jes, I just like to get you and Dano and JHizzle riled up and excited. Good night guys.

          • Jes

            Because Black is sucking on Pegula’s tit;) lol.

            Lol I know buddy. I like doing the same with you;). Good convo. But in all seriousness I hope you are wrong about Murray just being a “Yes Man.”

            You have a goodnight as well. Talk to you on game day.

          • Vic Soga

            I do like Murray. I like the fact that he is always in the dressing room talking to the players. That fact was discussed on Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet on Thursday. I hope he goes to Rochester and London on a regular basis.

          • JHizzle75

            Ha ha Vic! I’m neither riled up not excited. If everyone on here agreed with each other it would be pretty boring. Lol. I enjoy any argument between intelligent people who have their own views of what’s best for this franchise.
            In the end we’re all just putting our 2 cents in and no one is wrong or right. Have a great night and look forward to future discussions/ arguments. Lol

          • JHizzle75

            First off, I don’t want him to trade Miller unless there is absolutely no way he will resign and every avenue has been exhausted.
            Second, I don’t know where you get this knowledge, are you a hockey insider or something?
            If you are I apologize. It’s a GM s job to deal with trades, why would they hire him to just be a puppet? Lafontaine would have taken the GM job if that was the case.

          • Jes

            JHizzy every avenue being exhausted? There is only 2 avenues trade him or resign him.

            He should be traded.

          • JHizzle75

            Ha ha you got me Jes ! Bad choice of words. By avenue I just mean anything the Sabres would have to do to convince him to stay. Trade for a number one Center , for example, or just show him the team is moving in the right direction by resigning Ott, Moulson or both.

          • Jes

            Your not getting a number 1 center for a UFA goalie to be. Most you’ll get is probably a late 1st a top prospect or two and a roster player.

            He isn’t staying. He has a shot this offseason at being on a cup contender and closer to his wife on teams like St. Louis and Anaheim. Sooner the Miller homers get that in there heads the better off they will be.

          • JHizzle75

            You misread my comment.
            I wasn’t saying trade Miller for a number one Center, I said trade for a number one Center to convince Miller to stay.

          • Jes

            oh ok got cha. we are more then a number one center away from playoff contention.

            Miller’s leaving bud:)

          • JHizzle75

            Again Jes ! I never said anything about playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs! Lol ( Little football reference there).
            I was just giving examples of things the Sabres could do to try to convince him to stay, to show him we’re committed to winning in the near future.
            If Miller leaves he leaves, totally out of my control or anyone else’s on here. I will still support this team through thick and thin, but think our best chance at a return to respectability is with Miller between the pipes.

          • Jes

            Lol good ol’ Jim Mora. What about Dennis Green “They aren’t who we thought they were,” lol.

            I don’t think that is correct. Miller being our best chance at returning to respectability is pretty “homerish” IMO. Miller’s what 33 now, by the time this team turns shit around he will be at the youngest 36 years of age. His best days will be behind him. As we’ve seen before he shows up only in his Olympic and contract years. Otherwise the guys just another goalie for the most part.

            Players like McDavid or Eichel and Ekblad or Reinhart is what will turn this franchise around.

          • Vic Soga

            No I am not an expert. I am just like one of you guys.

          • JHizzle75

            That was 15 years ago. I’m sure Nolan has learned from his past mistakes. I would like to believe he has, at least…

          • Jes

            Seems like the same guy from what I’ve read about him anyway.

        • Jes

          really?

        • wolfdoctor

          I was concerned, all along, that Nolan has too much power.

  • Jes

    Lol draft dreamin’…

  • chas territo

    My thought on Grigorenko refusing to report to Quebec is an example of a boy becoming a man. Growth in his personal life is more important than Hockey. Being a man and making adult decisions helps him more than playing Hockey. I hope that fans can understand how tough it is to grow up in today’s society if you are foreign born and have nothing but sycophants advising you in matters of trust?? Will this lead to him becoming an NHL player? Maybe, maybe not, but it will lead to him making his decision on what his life will become. That’s all I have to offer.