Report: Buffalo Sabres Shopping Mikhail Grigorenko

It appears that initially not reporting to the Quebec Remparts may have been a very poor decision by Mikhail Grigorenko. A report broke on twitter last night stating that the Buffalo Sabres and Tim Murray are openly shopping the Russian prospect around prior to the NHL tradedeadline approaching on March 5th.

 

 

This could be the first big move that new GM Tim Murray is looking for to put him on the map and to let everyone know he means

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business in Buffalo. Murray has no ties to Grigorenko and his opinion of the youngster went south after Grigorenko took a stand, if Murray trades the future of the Sabres expect some major waves as fall out.

Mikhail Grigorenko was drafted 12th overall- despite being predicted top 3- by the Buffalo Sabres in 2012, but the youngster has quickly fallen out of favour with the organization that drafted him. While Mikhail Grigorenko has not been give the easiest ride since beginning his NHL career, his lack of effort and attitude for a 19 year old seems to have struck a bone with the new boss in town.

 

While his value might not be the highest at this point after his little stand-off and failure to progress quickly, if Murray plays his cards right and throws him in a package with someone else they could be able to net another 1st round pick and something else.

This would certainly be a big and bold move by the new GM, but since he has to clean up after the mess Darcy Regier left behind this may be the first step towards leaving his mark on the Sabres.

If the right team with the right deal comes calling it seems like Tim Murray will happily oblige and ship them Mikhail Grigorenko.

Topics: Buffalo Sabres, Mikhail Grigorenko, Trade Rumour

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  • wolfdoctor

    I hope they don’t trade him. They wouldn’t get much for him at this point. He’s a frustrated 19 year old kid who got some bad advice from his agent. The Sabres management should take that into consideration before dumping him.

    • Dano

      What about attitude? If you tell your boss where to go, do you still have a job? Thats EXACTLY what the kid did by causing a stink about going back to juniors ( or so the media portrayed it ).

      I feel the kids agent told him not to report for some reason ( $$$$$$ ) and it was very bad advice.

      So Buffalo has a kid whom is ( blame whomever you want, doesnt really matter ) immature, misguided, feels he wasnt given a chance, has fans saying he wasnt given a chance.. then the kid goes into that locker room and sees some of the other players whom have been around for a while and thinks to himself ‘ They werent screwed with like I was “..

      At this point, do you think the kid will ever be happy in Buffalo? Murray is a brand new GM and will be here for a few years, hes already on Murray’s bad side. Its obvious Nolan doesnt care for the kid ( 4th line anyone? ).

      How big a hill will the kid try to climb in the NHL when he can go to the KHL and make more money and see icetime with better players in a ‘ lesser league ‘ ( lesser league is my opinion ).

      Its just bad chemistry at this point.

      I believe it would be poetic justice if they did trade the kid and he lit it up with another team.

      • wolfdoctor

        I’d let things cool off before doing anything. Would you have Murray trade him for a 3rd round pick, just to see him become a star somewhere else? Let him play out the couple months in Quebec, then join Rochester and see how he does.

      • Caitlin Campbell

        your last sentence sums it up for me- there’s bad blood and chemistry between Grigo and the organization- there has to be. He’s upset at the ways he’s been handled and new management is upset with how he’s responded. Going to be very tough to smooth things over and Grigorenko on the right path

        • Dano

          “Going to be very tough to smooth things over and Grigorenko on the right path”

          I believe its beyond ‘ smoothing over ‘. Next season is the last year on his contract. If Buffalo leaves him in Juniors for the rest of this year, will he make the team next season?

          Certainly, Buffalo will draft a center or forward ( probably 2 ). They will need to evaluate their draft selections and if they are NHL ready, they will be on the team from opening day.

          Buffalo WILL shop for UFA’s. They have to. They have the money and there are going to be a few players worth buying.

          It doesnt matter whos fault it is that theres this ‘ dilemma ‘ with Grigorenko but the team as a whole has to move on.

          Should the Organization put its resources and energy into ‘ Grigorenko ‘ or should they spend their time snagging an NHL ready player or a veteran that wont refuse to report?

          People are going to say ‘ Grigorenko is ready! He was never given a chance!! ‘.. He told the boss where to go with his little stint of not reporting. Is Grigorenko under the impression he will be given ANY chances now?

          The right path for Grigorenko is to get out of Buffalo AFTER getting a new Agent.

          Its a bad situation for both sides. Coach wouldnt play him, GM sent him back to Juniors, What part of hes not going to be on the roster isnt blatantly obvious?

          • wolfdoctor

            I think you are assuming Grigo can’t improve.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            The Sabres have him under contract for 1 more season and I believe he is elligible for the AHL next season so that is most likely where he will end up for the remainder of his time as a Sabre. But if he hits UFA he’s gone

        • K O

          He should be given some slack since the last GM mishandled everything and pat and Tim gotta see that. Maybe they have a philosophy about Russians pat played with them and Tim has been scouting them for years. A lot of risk to take Russians nowadays regier shoulda took a Canadian or American. Does he fit into our core moving forward? Will he ever be a top line dominate center? I doubt it so thanks regier for wasting everyone’s time!

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree he got some very bad advice from his agent who was butthurt he wasn’t getting more $$

  • lee Munn

    I hope they do not trade him… the kid is just 19. Let him play the rest of this year in QMJHL and if next year he does not impress the Sabres enough, let him play in Roch. for the start of the year like Armia & ‘Cat’ this year. I disagree with you on “the mess Darcy Regier left behind” … I did not like him for quite a few years.. but all the trades & drafts in the last 3+ years actually made me respect Darcy more. I think in approx. 2-3 years we can grow to a dominant team and a large part of it will be all the 1st & 2nd drafts we have had in the last few & next few years.. thanks to him trading players that prob would not have re-signed.

    • Joe

      Pls name me a team that became dominant strictly throuh the draft?

      • Labbatt

        Penguins

        • Labbatt

          CoreThe Draft is Important. it Establishes Your core Players, Then You Trade And Add free Agents to Complement Your Core. Ie Chicago Pittsburgh Boston.

          • JHizzle75

            The key word in Joe’s comment is “strictly”

          • Jes

            No team is striiktly built through the draft. Chicago and Penguins are a great example of teams building there core through the draft. The main you thing you got to take into consideration there whole core is built through draft. I can’t name one team that doesn’t have even one player that hasn’t been drafted by them.

          • Joe

            You have to have the right veterans to help them early on and build ur young players comfidence and help them adjust to the nhl is my entire point. Look wat bringing tallinder back has done for myers

          • Jes

            Tallinder did nothing for Myers this year. It was more Nolan then anything else.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I wouldn’t say he did nothing. Having your former mentor around had to be at least a little big of a plus for Myers

          • Jes

            Ok guys 1st you guys say bringing back Tallinder was a mistake and hasn’t helped Myers, now you guys say he has helped him?

            Make up your minds.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I’ve always been a fan of bringing back Tallinder to help Myers game this season

          • Dano

            Big ‘ Plus ‘? How about a BOAT ANCHOR!

            *I* believe Hank has hurt Myers play more then anything this year. Might have been a mental motivational thing, but it sure wasnt a playing-ability help at all. Myers was having trouble finding his own game and then he had to cover a LOT for Hank ontop of it.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            Yup, you draft your core players through the draft- for the most part and then add little pieces on the way generally

        • Joe

          R we drafting a sydney corsby anytime soon? Even if we get mcdvaid next yr hes not the next sysney crosby. There isnt event the next evgeni malkon anytime soon

          • Labbatt

            You’re Right, But I Would Be Happy With The Next Gen Pronger And Or Toews.

          • JHizzle75

            Toews>Crosby IMO if you’re talking all around player. I would argue Toews is the best player in the NHL, he was a 3rd overall pick, so you don’t necessarily have to draft 1st overall to get a quality player. Take a look at Detroits drafting history.

          • JHizzle75

            Sorry that was a reply to Labbatt

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I agree I’d take Toews anyday!

          • Dano

            “Take a look at Detroits drafting history.”

            I read your post about Detroits drafting after I posted that long-winded one above. Sorry bout that ;)

          • JHizzle75

            Sorry for what?
            Never mind. Lol. I see it now.
            You must have added that Detroit stuff after I read it the first time.

          • Dano

            Yep. I sometimes go back and add things as they arent a first thought. Has to do with old age or something like that. ;) Dunno if you share the same at times or not. :D

          • Caitlin Campbell

            Exactly no one knows what McDavid will turn into or what he wont turn into

        • Dano

          Lets look at the Pens..

          Starting in 01-02, Robert Lang and Kovalev were about the only real productive roster players they had. +/- wise, the team was tanking.

          02-03.. Marios ‘ comeback ‘ with 90+points..

          03-04 their top 6 players all tanked to -25 ( or worse. Not exact numbers but a couple were over -30 ). It was Brooks Orpiks second year ( selected 19th overall the year before ). He finished an abysmal -36 !

          05-06 Crosbys first year. 106 points. Who was on the team to mentor him? John Leclair, Mark Recchi, Ryan Malone, Mario Lemieux.. I wouldnt call that ‘ rebuilding through the draft ‘ so much as having a few good players to mentor the kid.

          Colby Armstrong made the lineup as a regular that year.

          06-07 saw Malkin come to fruition. It was also the year a GREAT mentor was added to the team named Gary Roberts. Roberts to this day runs an off-season conditioning camp. MANY pro Athletes go to Roberts for assistence. Roberts wasnt drafted by the Pens but brought in via Trade.

          Joe’s question was ” Pls name me a team that became dominant strictly throuh the draft?”

          I cannot think of ANY team in my 30ish years watching that drafted its way to the Cup. Ive seen a few punch and score their way to a Cup, but never just by the draft.

          The problem Edmonton is having isnt just Defense or a Goaltender. They have a lot of youth with nobody to really help them. GOOD veteran leaders are needed at the beginning of their start in the NHL to get them on the right path to success.

          You can draft parts, but not everything needed to win a Cup.

          Chicago?

          Patrick Sharp was drafted in 2001 by Philly ( or Jersey? ). Hossa was drafted by Ottawa and went team hopping, landed in Chicago long term. Sheldon Brookbank started in the ECHL with ( I believe ) the Ducks Orginization, *I* would say those are important pieces and ( odds are ) Chicago wouldnt have won a cup without those players.

          Take away those players mentioned that WERENT drafted by those teams, and you still might make the playoffs ( hypothetical guess, nobody can know for sure ).

          Edmonton is living proof that just drafting doesnt get you a cup.

          • JHizzle75

            Sharp was drafted 95th overall by Philly. Chicago currently has 3 players ( by my count) that they drafted themselves in the 1st round.
            Kane 1st overall 2007
            Toews 3rd overall 2006
            Seabrook 14th overall 2003
            They have a handful of 2nd rounders (Bickell, Saad, Keith, Crawford) the rest were in the 100s .

          • Dano

            Sharp was drafted by Philly? I knew it was either Jersey or Philly wasnt positive on which one specifically. Regardless, it wasnt Chicago.

            I think the key to ANY cup winning team is finding 3 or 4 Veteran Journeymen at the summer before the season starts or at the trade deadline.

            You have to find the right ones at the right time though or they wont have an effect or desired outcome.

            Look at Chris Drury! He was unreal in Buffalo! The Rags gave him a long term deal and he didnt last there. In the same summer the Rags grabbed Scotty Gomez.. neither worked out.

            Buffalo brought Leino in. He played quite well in Philly, hasnt done a damn thing here. He will pot a goal ( maybe 2? ) sometime this season.. maybe not?

            I do believe Edmonton is a bad example altogether though. For what they have drafted, they should have a juggernaut. They are about to be passed over by a team that has regular players of Ott, Scott, Leino, Stafford, Weber, Ellis.. Compared to Nail, Eberle, Hall, Hopkins..

            I think it blatantly proves that Draft Dreaming gets beat by a bunch of guys whom are far from all-stars ( most should be in the AHL ).

            Chicago is where its at because of the Veterans and Journeymen they brought in to balance things out IMO.

          • JHizzle75

            Also I’d like to say that Detroit picked some gems in the later rounds…
            Zetterberg 210th in 1999
            Datsyuk 171st in 1998
            Lidstrom wasn’t even a 1st round pick (53rd in 1989) and I’d say he turned out pretty good.
            Oh yeah, that 20 th overall in 2013? Mantha! Those guys know how to draft.

          • Dano

            As an Organization though, they had the insight to see those players being of future potential OR they had the ability/staff to develop those players into what they are.

            Buffalo presently has NEITHER means at their disposals. What good is having a stockpile of high ranking draft picks if a team doesnt have a working system to get those players to where they need to be? THATS part of whats happened to Grigorenko ( not all of it, but some ).

            Theres been quite a few players that were drafted by Buffalo and didnt really go to far. They hit free agency or were traded and they became better. Maybe not superstars or namesake players, but they wound up going elsewhere and making a roster.

          • K O

            They know how to recognize character and are obviously amazing at developing. Grigorenko has been mishandled and if I were him I’d be a bit angry and confused. Why is armia not up yet? Cus he’s still not ready and fully developed what 3-4 years later. That being said theres a reason he dropped to 12 in the draft and darcy wanted to look good as if he got a steal and took him! I think he can play but will he dominate and not back down from tough teams I doubt it. Try to raise his stock and trade him or let him go for nothing wipe the slate clean and chalk it up to regiers bad drafting. Look at his first round drafts over 16 years and you’ll understand. He never knew how to draft and develop top talent or build a team to win the division consistently usually drafting soft skill players. Wouldn’t surprise me if they move him for nothing and he plays well for someone else that’s the buffalo way!

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I fully agree Dano- Edmonton is living proof how the draft can fail you when you 1. Just rely solely on it and 2. when you don’t draft what you need.

      • Jes

        You hear of Pittsburgh a and Chicago. Most of the important pieces were added through draft.

    • K O

      Regier without a doubt left a mess and broken team full of underachievers. He shouldn’t get limited ice time and play on the fourth line then be judged by his lack of stats. Unfortunately after next year he’s due a new contract already without much production yet. He’s got plenty of offensive skill but needs to develop more. He needs to work on his skating and hustle. He was always projected as a skill finesse center though not a hitter or edgy aggressive player. I’d rather have him then yakupov!

      • Caitlin Campbell

        He should definitely not be judged and in fact he shouldn’t be in the 2nd year of his ELC. Regier signed him at least a year too early and it’s come back to bite the Sabres in the butt.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      By mess I mean the Grigo situation and a whole bunch of UFAs and RFAs at the end of this season. Murray has a lot of decisions to make and it can’t be easy. If the Sabres don’t trade Grigorenko he will be in the look for a new contract in a year it’s very likely he’ll leave for nothing.

  • Justin Tosczak

    Totally called this.

    • Jes

      I’m sure 100% of the people on here called this

      • Caitlin Campbell

        Yeah it was something I saw coming. Knew his stand-off about the juniors would sour Murray

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Yeah as one of the other commentors said this would be the least surprising trade

  • JHizzle75

    I hope they don’t trade him. Let him play in Roch next year and re-evaluate his game . We won’t get a damn thing for him if we trade him right now.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Exactly we’d have to package him in another deal right now so hopefully they do keep him and play him in Rochester next season.

  • Jes

    Give the kid a real shot. The kid will produce regularly in the NHL if given line mates that aren’t named Scott and Tropp. That’s the whole problem why he didn’t produce thus far. Give him time with quality scoring forwards and watch him work his magic. The guy got what 2-5 minutes a game?

    Whatever though if he is traded I hope he makes the Sabres regret giving up on him.

    GO GRIGORENKO!!!!!

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree that he hasn’t been given a fair shake with decent line mates but we don’t know that he’ll score regularly if he gets top line minutes. Talent is one thing but without working hard there isn’t much and the top line players have to work

  • jimbobv2

    Tim Murray’s jumped right into a bunch of future shaping situations.

    What to do with Grigorenko is just one of them.

    Given the fact that Ottawa never drafted a player out of Russia during Murray’s tenure makes me wonder if he was already a skeptic before the whole waiting to report thing happened.

    I think trading Grigorenko would be one of the least surprising trades ever.

    I’m hoping that Murray can use Grigorenko as a piece that pries Ryan O’Reilly out of Colorado. But, that is likely just a dream…

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I do not pitty Murray at all, he has so many very difficult decisions to make in the very near future. From the future in Grigorenko to the past future in Miller.
      That’s a great point Jum, Ottawa doesn’t have a lot of trackrecord with Russian’s and he doesn’t seem to be a Murray type of player

  • David Clark

    Setting things up nicely for Ryan Miller and Grigorenko trade to Detroit for Jimmy Howard, Anthony Mantha and a 1st round pick. Pipe-dream? Sure, but it does make some sense. Howard is not a 70-game goalie like Miller, so Enroth would play more often (probably 30-35 games)… Howard is 4 years younger and could be at a prime age for the rebuilding Sabres… I’m not completely sold on Enroth being a #1 in the NHL yet. Mantha and Grigorenko put up similar numbers in the Q and each has his strengths and weaknesses vs the other. Miller is an upgrade for the Wings this season and he’d be as close to a sure thing as you can get to re-sign in Detroit.

    • wolfdoctor

      I would do it.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I’d take that deal from a Sabres fan perspective and it doesn’t seem all that far fetched to me. Ps- Jimmy Howard left tonight with an apparent knee injury

      • David Clark

        Sometimes fate has a funny way of working its way into things… :)
        Only time will tell… as a Sabres fan, I can only hope!

        • Caitlin Campbell

          *Fingers crossed*

  • Ron

    I think the real question on whether he will be traded or not is what type of team is going to be built. If the Sabres are built like the Bruins or Ducks, he will be traded. If they are built more like the Red Wings or Capitals, he might not be. The bottom line is, he is more of a skilled, non-physical type player. In my opinion he is not the type of player that either Nolan or Murray typically looks for. He would have to show he is willing and able to play a two way hard nosed type game to stay with the Sabres as I don’t see them being built as a softer, finesse team.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I agree that I don’t think this is the type of player Murray would be interested in and same with Nolan. They like guys who work hard for their ice time and are willing to play a physical game, something Grigorenko has refused to do. I also agree that the Sabres will fo the more skill and physical route as opposed to finesse

  • Dylan Stebbins

    Good thing Mike Straw knows absolutely nothing of what he speaks.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      good thing

  • Justin Tosczak

    I meant I called this as soon as Murray was named GM.. I believe it was only an hour after that I said Grigorenko would be out.. However, I still do believe Murray will package him in a deal, like someone else has said. Unfortunately, his current value doesn’t speak about the player he will become, so we cannot expect a great return for him right now.

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