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Time for the Sabres and Flyers to Start Talking Trade


I come bearing good news for all Sabres fans down about their 0-3 start and for the ones who want to get rid of Ryan Miller. The Philadelphia Flyers also find themselves 0-3 to start the year and are in desperate need of a number one netminder. It’s time for Darcy Regier to pick up the phone and make a call to Paul Holmgren to discuss some trade options.

Neither team can be pleased with their 0-3 starts but both teams have pieces that can help the other. What do the Sabres need? They need a forward with leadership who can actually score since Thomas Vanek and Cody Hodgson have decided that scoring is overrated. The Sabres need offence, especially young offence that will grow through the rebuild. The Flyers on the other hand aren’t exactly going through a rebuild but they could really use a number one netminder and some solid defence.

So why are the Sabres the perfect option for the Flyers to trade with? Because they have everything they need. The Sabres have 2 goaltenders who are capable of being starters and 2 more in the minors who are almost ready for NHL action and they have a plethora of defencemen. So let’s make a trade!

First we need to see who the Sabres can offer up. Realistically there shouldn’t be any “untouchables” on the Sabres roster other than the

rookies and possibly Cody Hodgson. A deal to the Flyers would have to centre around a netminder, either Ryan Miller or Jhonas Enroth. Personally I’d be in favour of sending Enroth, since he hasn’t had a chance to make a name for himself yet and could do so in Philadelphia. With Matt Hackett coming up, there’s no guarantee Enroth will get the crease full-time in the future, but we know Miller wants out soon. Send Enroth to the Flyers for a chance to be a number one netminder and allow Miller to groom Hackett.

Looking at the defence take a pick of anyone other than Nikita Zadorov and Rasmus Ristolainen. Could Tyler Myers benefit from a change of scenery? What about Alexander Sulzer or Brayden McNabb? Move to offence and this could be the perfect deal to throw Drew Stafford or Tyler Ennis into. They Flyers have also expressed interest in Thomas Vanek this offseason so if he decides he’s not staying- and right now why would he- a move to the Flyers could work perfectly.

Next we have to see what the Sabres could get from the Flyers. Before we go to far, it’s unlikely Regier could ever sweet talk Claude Giroux away from the Flyers so let’s leave him off the list. The Sabres need young offence and the two players who stand out are Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn. The Flyers have made it clear they’re willing to part ways with Couturier and Schenn is an expendable forward for the Flyers. Both players are young, skilled and gritty, all the qualities the Sabres would be looking for in players through the rebuild. The Flyers also have a couple of promising prospects in Scott Laughton and Nick Cousins that might be worth a look if Holmgren would be willing to part with.

Now you have a general idea of the type of players each team would be most willing to move. Now to the fun part, making up trade combinations. Would a Enroth, Myers and Stafford combination be enough to lure Couturier and a prospect/draft pick? What about a Miller for Couturier + a first?

Who or what do you think the Sabres would need to offer up in order to add Couturier and or Schenn? Leave your trade options in the comments below and would you be willing to trade with the Flyers?

Tags: Buffalo Sabres Philadelphia Flyers Ryan Miller Sean Couturier Trade

  • wolfdoctor

    At this point I’d trade Miller for Philadelphia’s first. Better than nothing.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Miller would be worth more than just a first round pick, at least a roster player added to that

      • Jes

        If he plays well that’s the only way we get what we want for him. If he returns to his usual form we will be lucky to get a couple midlevel prospects.

    • Kevin

      Philly is in salary cap hell, so there is no way they could go for that.

      • wolfdoctor

        The whole point of the article is a trade with Philly.

  • erico

    hahaha i could care less about being a garbage team, i would never ever deal with the flyers… Id much rather wait till american thanksgiving and select a western team to do a deal with. Teams such as Edmonton and Colorado are stocked with young talented scorers but need help on the back end. i could see miller/ enroth being dealt with a D to a team in return for a young scorer and a draft pick.

    • Jes

      Ahhhh, we already have enough centers. The wing is what we should be focussing on. Not center.

      • erico

        ye but theres no wings on the market. perhaps acquiring a center that is put on wing?

        • Jes

          If your talking about not on the Market? Gagner isn’t on the market so I dunno where you got your info from. But he just signed a long term deal with the Oilers for one reason and one reason only. To be part of that young and upcoming team. Yakupov is the guy to target on that team. He’s a RW exactly where we need the help. With him and Armia on the RW we’ll be set for years. We are already set for years on defense and center.

          • erico

            gagner is more on the market than yakupov

          • Jes

            not really. neither is on the block. it’d just take more to land yakupov than gagner, doesn’t mean he’s “more on the market” lol

          • erico

            no he is, Edmonton and any team in the nhl isnt willing to pay big bucks to 2 centers. they already have rnh making 6m next year and with gagners ntc for the 2014-15 season it would be best to move him before next year

          • Jes

            So didn’t you just say why not convert one to wing? Why wouldn’t the Oilers just put either RNH or Gagner on the wing instead? Your basically turning on your own statements. Why would we want to pay another center that much money when we already have Girgensons, Hodgson, Ott, Ennis and Grigorenko? If it makes no sense for Edmonton it really makes no sense for us.

          • erico

            news flash, Ott and Ennis are wingers who can play center time to time. Grigorenko was supposed to be the 2nd overall pick of the 2012 draft and has looked like shit so far. Girgensons has played center in the past but a suitable role for him in the nhl is a power winger which is why hes playing grigorenkos wing. Our only legit center is Hodgson whos defensive abilities are crippling his skill. We need to bring in a player like ROR or Gagner into the mix and let them flourish at their natural position.

            if those 2 arent available then i would make a good push for yakupov. the thought of him playing on a line of girgensons and grigorenko could really improve the play of grigorenko

          • Jes

            NEWS FLASH!!! Ott and Ennis are wingers and centers. What do you expect Grigorenko to do? Put up Crosby numbers? The guy is still a friggin rookie so what we just give up on him? Ristolainen isn’t doing good at all either so maybe lets get rid of him to? And another piece of news for ya Girgensons natural position is center not wing.

            Why in the blue hell would the Avalanche trade for an over aged and over rated goalie when Semyon Varlamov is capable of doing everything Miller can at this point, and is currently undefeated and putting up great numbers? ROR is staying put because Statsny is out next year, he’s UFA and ROR fits the bill as a Roy guy better than Statsny. Miller played an outstanding 2 games but honestly they mean nothing if they are losses and it’s two games guys.

            Wing is our worst position. We do not need play makers as much as we do goal scorers. Playmakers are nothing if they do not have finishers with them. I wouldn’t mind shipping both Vanek, and Miller to Edmonton. Probably have to take most of Miller’s or Vanek’s salary in return. Get both Yakupov and Gagner in return

  • qwicwted

    I probably would like to see a Miller/Stafford deal for JSG and O’Reilly. CO has O’Reilly playing on the wing – I think they are stocked at the C position. I also think ROR’s holdout hurt his relationship with the club. Buffalo could take back some $ with the trade, but I think it would be something to think about rather than doing a deal with Philly.

    • Jes

      Colorado has no use for Miller or Stafford. Semeyon Varlamov looks like he can hold the fort down. And Stafford is waste a space. Only way he’s going anywhere is if we buy him out.

      • qwicwted

        Well, then I really don’t see much need for Miller out there – he wants to go west and Philly doesn’t have the cap space. I think Emery and Mason haven’t really done a bad job – they are playing like Miller/Enroth. Enroth is not a #1 goalie and I don’t think he ever will be. I think to move Stafford we are going to have to pair him with an “asset” that someone is willing to take on. I just think that Miller does have “some value” – and I think there is an opening in CO – although we would have to take back some salary or might have to throw in a Dman – like McNabb or Ruhwedal. For the life of me I would love to throw in Meyers, but maybe Darcy can unload Meyers for Couturier although Philly has absolutely no cap space.

        • Jes

          Personally I think your nuts to get rid of Myers. Why not get rid of Ristolainen and Zadorov? Myers is our future on this blue line. Myers had a couple bad season because of the horrid teams we put out there. Last year for the most part Myers was placed with Regher, who is honestly slower than a 90 year old gramma on skates. Your wrong on the topic of Enroth. He kicked ass the other night. He can easily be a number one goalie. And honestly he’s ready to take over that role right now. Lot of people overlook him because of his size. But he’s a good starter just waiting to shine.

          • Caitlin Campbell

            Enroth looked solid- but didn’t kick butt, Miller has out-performed him in his two starts. I don’t think he’s ready to take over as a legit starter… Hackett will be the next Sabres starter

          • Jes

            How much do you want to put on that?

          • Caitlin Campbell

            I just don’t think Enroth is a legit starter as of yet

    • http://SabreNoise.com/ Richard Spalding

      You say ROR, my radar goes off! Lord, how the Sabres could use him. I thought the Avs might be interested in Miller, but I’m not so sure now Still – ROR would be an impact player and then some.

      • Kevin

        I would trade Stafford, Leino, Ennis, Porter, Scott and a Box of pucks for ROR at this point. :-D

        • Jes

          Lol I doubt you’d get anything for Stafford, Leino or Porter.

      • Jes

        Colorado looks awesome right now. I doubt ROR is available. We can’t make a play for him until February I think? They do have a lot of centers but Statsny is coming off the books so I doubt they’d want to get rid of Statsny. He IMO is more of a Patrick Roy player than Statsny.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      I’d love it if the Sabres could land ROR would be a solid pick-up

  • qwicwted

    I also think we should trade Vanek/prospect or draft pick for Heatly and Granlund, Coyle or even Mitchell. With Heatly basically being a salary dump for MN and anyone of those other 3 being the key part of the deal.

    • Jes

      That’s what I’ve been asking for since last year. Love it.

    • Dano

      You might really be onto something.. which team to trade with.

      Would Buffalo want Heatley though? Hes in his 30′s..

  • Jes

    Ristolainen, Zadorov, Girgensons, Grigorenko, Armia, Myers, and Hodgson should all be considered untouchables. Your crazy to even think keeping Miller over Enroth. Miller’s leaving this offseason or trade deadline day, you can see it in his body language. And last year was the last straw for him IMO. He wanted that season to be his last in Buffalo. Instead this year is his last season.

    I’d offer up Miller straight up for Cotourier. Fair deal all around. We might need to hold on to some of Miller’s salary. But to be honest right now I’d try and nab Yakupov from Oilers. They have the same problems as Philly but Oilers have a bigger push from ownership and management to make the playoffs now. A package of Miller, McNabb and maybe Kaleta.

    • http://SabreNoise.com/ Richard Spalding

      I love Yakupov, but cannot see the Oilers getting rid of him. Couturier, on the other hand, might be something the Sabres could swing.

      • erico

        Yakupov has the potential to be a first liner but is playing on the 3rd line. With Hemskys contract expiring i see yakupov getting more ice time. Unless edmonton finds a solid 2nd line winger they will not be dealing yakupov

      • Jes

        Hey Rich, I think the Oilers would give up Yakupov for the right price. They haven’t solved there goalie troubles since the Roloson days. And to get a potential top end goalie like Miller would do great for. And they’ve had no defense since Pronger left, so with the right defensemen paired with Miller and maybe Kaleta we could easily get Yakupov. We would definitely have to take some maybe even half of Miller’s contract back. Maybe something like the following.

        To Oilers
        Miller (Take back about 1/2 of Miller’s salary)
        Kaleta
        Sulzer
        Ruhwedel or McNabb
        McBain or Sulzer (Or Both)
        3rd rounder?

        To Sabres
        Yakupov
        Dubnyk (Let him walk as a UFA at seasons end)
        what do you think?

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Idk for the right $ I could see Miller stick one more season if he needed too, but just my opionion I’m likely wrong.
      I wouldn’t go after Yakupov- my personal opionion but a dea with the Oilers could also work, go after Eberle.

  • http://SabreNoise.com/ Richard Spalding

    CC – this is the sort of deal the Flyers should have made during the offseason. For whatever reasons, they have lost their minds when it comes to assessing their goalie situation. Whoever thought Emery was the solution to their problems should be fired, now.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      they are at a complete loss between the pipes… no clue what they are thinking as neither goaltender can carry the load of a playoff team right now. They are in desperate need of a netminder but I agree it will be tough to get one now, but that’s why the Sabres are a good team for them to do business with. Sabres could be in a position to move a netminer

  • Ben Chalker

    I like Matt Read a lot but I doubt he’s going to solve many problems on a sabres roster.

    • Caitlin Campbell

      Read was another guy I was contemplating putting on this list, but I’m not sure he’s the type of player the Sabres really need.

      • Ben Chalker

        Like I said, he’s not going to solve many problems.
        The Sabres are more than 1 guy away from being any good as it is though, while it would be nice to add this guy or that guy, it’s going to be a long time before any improvement is really visible.

        • Jes

          Not really. A team can turn around very fast. Just look at the Canadiens and the Senators. However it takes smart moves to get it done. And not just one move here and there. If Darcy can trade Miller, Kaleta and Vanek and in return we get lets say Granlund, Yakupov, Heatley, and Coyle; all paired with a high draft pick this year (Talking top 3 guys) we will be good possibly next year. And this is without the possible big name UFA we might just bring in with all that money available this summer.

  • Dano

    Flyers take on Miller.. 6.250 million. They are already at the cap limit.. Brayden Schenn is an RFA at the end of the year and Courts is a 1-2million hit. The Flyers would be WAY over the cap. Stafford is a 4 million hit.. Vanek is a 6+million hit..

    The Flyers have 6 defensemen with Limited or No Trade Clause in their contract.

    Grioux however doesnt have a no movement clause.

    As horrible as it seems, I would offer them Miller and our Second Round pick in 2014 for Grioux. Toss in Meszaros and whomever they want off their books thats willing to move. Eat some cap room for the year ( with miller going away and the 1.3 million left presently.. could be more if Leino goes to LTIR ) and gain a proven Center. Philly needs cap room. We have a year or 2 if they are building from within before we have to start offering big dollars to the guys we drafted.

    Grioux and Simmonds are the only 2 players that Impress me in Philly right now.

    The problem with moving Miller.. movement clause. Hes in one basement team.. does anyone believe he would just move off to another? *I* wouldnt if I had any say in it.

    • Dano

      Im replying to my own message as I posted before reading all the comments. No outside influences so-to-say ;) .

      Im seeing some ‘ dream trades ‘. Miller is a ‘ bit better then average ‘ netminder but has the baggage of a cap hit which is quite.. ‘ high ‘.

      Buffalo is going for ‘ Youth ‘. I would LOVE to land Nail or Eberle from Edmonton. Its not going to happen endless we deal first round picks and some of our own prospects or…

      Edmonton is in trouble next year on Defense. They have 2 people signed, thats all! Edmonton also has no cap room right now but a *lot* coming off their books July1. If they dont resign either of their netminders.. they wont have one ( endless they trade ).

      For them to take Miller, and his contract, with what Buffalo will have to ‘ eat ‘ in return..

      *IF* Edmonton would part with Eberle for Miller.. its almost a wash in salary, BUT, getting Miller to Resign? Edmonton will want picks AND prospects, something Buffalo needs more of if they are ‘ rebuilding ‘. Buffalo cant afford to give up those things in trades for a return in just 1 player.

      • Caitlin Campbell

        Miller’s cap hit is a huge issue for the Sabres and moving him… they would undoubtly have to eat some of his money

    • Ben Chalker

      That trade would make my brothers head explode. ( Flyers fan )
      I could absolutely get on board with that. They would want a return in quality though which would likely mean waving goodbye to at least Girgensons who would be a superstar in philly, They would eat that guy up.

    • qwicwted

      Because Philly is right at the cap – I don’t see them having anything to do with Miller. IMO I think they have too much tied up in D-men and they need to unload some of it to get themselves some breathing room. Holmgren has made a mess of Philly and it is just a matter of time before he gets called to the carpet. I have no problem with Darcy trading one of our young Dmen for Couturier – also if Holmgren wants to trade for Enroth – I don’t have a problem with that as I still don’t think he is a solid #1 goalie. I see Hackett being more of the Sabres starter down the road than Enroth.

    • DREW J

      Hahahaahah miller and a 2nd rounder for giroux, can i have whatever drugs your on pal?

      • Dano

        It wasnt just for Grioux.

        • DREW J

          Dude giroux is worth like an class A prospect a 1st rounder, and a solid nhl player for miller.. Your so far off bud. Not sure what your thinking..

          • Dano

            “Not sure what your thinking..”

            Read what would be going both ways. Cap relief would greatly help out Philly. They cant bring Pronger back if he becomes healthy without moving Read, Voracek or one of their better players.

            Holmgren and Regier are genetically connected in the ‘ Failure as a GM ‘ department.

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  • Rick Eberhardt

    Vanek and Miller for almost anything the Flyers offer.

  • http://musingmaryann.wordpress.com/ Mary Ann

    Since you got me thinking about this, I have been doing my typical research thing … I can understand Miller’s frustration even more so now. He has been in Buffalo for 12 years! 12 years battling to build a team, 12 years fighting to make the playoffs and 12 years watching his hopes of winning a Cup dwindle.

    While it will pain me to see him go, I think they need to because he just isn’t happy. As I tweeted to you – on 9/25 we were at open practice and he seemed distant, rarely interacting with the other players, etc. I know he is somewhat of a quiet guy when he doesn’t have a mic jammed in his face, but I really do think the boy is just warn out!.

    I also think that he would consider the West Coast because that would allow him to be closer to his wife who has been filming the TV show, Anger Management, in LA for the past year or so. We sometimes forget that these players have personal lives too! I’m thinking he is looking West Coast.